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| nerys | Oct 4 2009, 04:35 PM Post #31 |
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The Volt is an insult a SLAP in the face. 40mile electric range. after 30 miles the genny kicks on. The volt is designed to be a "see" we tried thats just the best electrics can do with today's technology totally ignoring the EV1 at 160-180 miles range per charge and the more practical RAV4EV with its 80-110 miles range per charge. I do not believe in coincidences. ESPECIALLY in corporate decision making. Take a guess what the average range of a home made hobby consumer converted lead acid electric car is? 35-40 miles. Range of the Volt on batteries? 35-40 miles. Now do you REALLY think that is a coincidence? dream on. I would not take a volt if it was FREE. its an INSULT a slap in the face. a band aid until they can get Hydrogen Fuel cells (a corporate cash cow to replace gasoline) working. |
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| nerys | Oct 4 2009, 04:40 PM Post #32 |
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"Not counting labor, in parts alone off the shelf, you are talking 9 grand to make a metro a fully functional electric car with a top speed of 55mph, at the max 40 mile range that seats 2 and some cargo." We can build a car TODAY with a 100+ mile range 4door mid sized sedan pure EV with aluminum chassis plastic body for UNDER $15,000 and that includes all labor and PROFIT ie full retail price. (it could easily do 100mph but that range would likely be at closer to 55mph) Using off the shelf parts. They simply REFUSE to and GM made sure that is someone decided they WANTED to (by someone I mean a major auto maker no one else has the capitol) that they could not by selling the E95 patent to Texaco/Chevron Check my other posts I break down the cost full retail with real verifyable numbers. Not fiction. They could do it for $13,000 full retail but the aluminum frame adds 2 grand to the price. Edited by nerys, Oct 4 2009, 04:41 PM.
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| Cobb | Oct 4 2009, 08:09 PM Post #33 |
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Yeah, I tell people the same thing about the volt, I would believe it when I see it and I plan on seeing one anytime soon. GM had an ev, the ev1 and instead of selling them, they crushed all but a few that were sent to musieums for show that they made a successful ev car. Considering the deals you can get on chineese lithium batteries, you could likely build a better pack with more performance in a smaller design and still come out ahead even with the bad units as they have poor quality control. Having said that, Honda, Toyota, etc could of leased their technology to the other guys to make something. |
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| geminiheartz | Oct 5 2009, 01:34 AM Post #34 |
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well said johnny
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| Murf 59 | Oct 5 2009, 01:47 AM Post #35 |
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In the early 70s, Datsun/Nissan put out the Datsun 1200. It was a no frills little box like ours. The could be made to get really good economy. Then they turned that into a B210, With air and all the frills and ruined a great little unit. Just like the Mullet said, "They had their hands on the future" And blew it. They were not much to look at, and you may not like them. But you could hate it forever. We went everywhere in one. Even autocrossing. |
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| Cobb | Oct 5 2009, 08:36 AM Post #36 |
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At one time all automanufactures had fuel efficient cars. VW had the dasher diesel that got 49mpg, Mercedes had the 220 and 240d that was a full size sedan with 32mpg. Ford had the festiva and dodge the neon which with the automatic can easily break 40mpg. Hell, my 06 scion xa got the epa 37 out the box and after lowering got 40+. People think I am crazy when I say I get between 50-60 mpg, but its the norm. Its a midsize sedan too. Recetly it was rated a safe car to wreck, one thing that drove me to buy a scion. Seeing a managled car from a head on accident at highway speeds and someone walking away with no broken bones is a great amrketing tool. |
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| Nick | Oct 5 2009, 09:06 AM Post #37 |
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Funny but does anyone know if they will make a new geo? I think they could make it look cool and better than the old ones. Edited by Nick, Oct 5 2009, 09:07 AM.
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| Cobb | Oct 5 2009, 09:15 AM Post #38 |
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On one hand we have more advancements in technology, but also more crash standards. I am sure a direct injected, hybrid, turbo charged metro could easily exceed 100mpg and be priced along the other sub ultra mini compacts. Its not uncommon for people with the first gen insight and manual tranny, no ac and custom lithium battery pack to easily exceed 100mpg. Its not uncommon for prius owners to hit 100 mpg with careful driving. |
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| Robertwb70 | Oct 5 2009, 03:22 PM Post #39 |
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It's also not uncommon for Prius owners to get 34 MPG with "normal" driving while the dash display says they got 46 MPG. Everybody likes to say GM (and the others) are/ were stupid for making all those SUVs but in a capitalist economy you have to make what people are going to buy, it doesn't work the other way around...yet. So if anyone is to blame for the SUV fiasco it is the American consumer. Personally I watch new car developments with interest but I can't afford a new car and even if/ when I can I don't feel they are worth what they cost so the whole mess doesn't seem to appealing to me right now. But I do encourage everyone that can buy a new car to keep trading them in every few years so that eventually I can buy a nice used insight in about 10 yrs. Come to think of it I've never owned a car that wasn't AT LEAST 10 yrs old. |
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| Cobb | Oct 5 2009, 11:34 PM Post #40 |
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True on both accounts. You can get poor sub epa fuel economy on both hybrid vehicles. However the hypermiling tricks severly boost your fuel economy. Yup, look at any car, make or model. Next year its larger, MORE POWER and less fuel economy. I can turn heads in conversations I am in and others when I say I get between 50-60mpg, but they cant give up the suv. My computer and other insights are like 2-3mpg off from actual fuel economy. |
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| nerys | Oct 24 2009, 01:32 AM Post #41 |
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people also demand what the manufacturers WANT Them to demand. the government and car makers PUSHED suv's on us and so we WANTED THEM. HOW CAN someone want what no one makes? NO, people tend to "want" (and by want I mean they BUY since thats how they measure want ie demand) So to say people demand SUV's when the only thing they really made "big and splashy" was SUV's is a bit of an oxymoron. OFF COURSE people bought (demand) SUV's thats what you (car makers) were hocking. less regulation more money cheaper. |
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| jmarksbery | Oct 24 2009, 04:57 AM Post #42 |
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You can blame alot of this on people like Ralph Nader. He put down a bunch of smaller cars as not safe to drive. You know, I owned 2 new Corvairs and never had a problem with either. But that asshole and others like him put a stop to it. |
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| nerys | Oct 26 2009, 03:21 PM Post #43 |
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well hate it or love it nader is right. Its called a bullshit statement though because guess what. Hummers and navigators are not safe either. You know something DRIVING IN A METAL BOX AT 60+MPH IS NOT A SAFE THING TO DO. LIFE IS NOT SAFE. I am willing to sacrifice a little safety for saving a CRAP TON OF MONEY :-) |
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| Potter | Oct 26 2009, 05:46 PM Post #44 |
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yea Col. Jim can attest to this... NO VEHICLE no matter what they do to it is Safe alone... the driver has to be the one to control the vehicle in a safe manner. and at Wyotech an insurance adjuster told our class that in 07-08 outta the 100% of collisions in the U.S only 10% where from vehicle failure i.e steering failure, break failure ect. and that the other 90% was Driver error. that 5 star safety rateing aint gonna do you no good if you cant drive... now granted sometimes it "wasn't my fault" but honestly ive slamed the breakes for idiots who have almost T-boned me. but hey im in a geo metro im gonna watch my @$$ when i drive... maybe thats the key we need to start thinkin... lower saftey standards that way ppl can stop driveing like idiots and pay attention to the road and whats going on.... if your paranoid when your behind the wheel of a 2 star crash test rated vehicle then your watching everything! if your in a 5 star crash test vehicle then you dont worry when your behind the wheel your adjusting the radio, putting on makeup, not looking for deer. and yes i know i work at a body shop i fix ppls stupid mistakes everyday... i almost quit body work because someone ran off in a ditch because they wheren't paying attention and they had a Cadalaic i have a geo metro fixing some rich pompus @$$ @^&#'s Cady that he ran off the road in and he bitches at me and my boss because i got a little tire shine on his rims.. (i am a body man but when the detail bay needs me ill give a helping hand) And he thinks hes better than me???? Sorry bout the rant.. bad day at work... but all and all yes a vehicle is ONLY as safe as the driver is. |
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| Bad Bent | Oct 26 2009, 06:28 PM Post #45 |
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Nice rant, Potter. Absolutely agree. I always drive paranoid. I've ridden bicycles since I was 13, raced, trained, cross country and you have to be paranoid or you will wind up dead sooner. Still, it's universal. I love watching the bad driver videos from all around the world. "Maybe the purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others." -Despair.Potter, your question, yes and that Cady has insurance against everything and is insulated from the world. The driver also.
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