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| Top Tier Gas; From the horses mouth | |
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| iamgeo | Nov 20 2009, 10:18 PM Post #1 |
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Big League
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Recently I asked in the forums about Top Tier Gas. I was lambasted for my belief that Top Tier Gas is nothing more than detergents being added to the fuel. Whether it contained ethanol or not. Some people that replied got a bit nasty. Well, I made several calls and sent an e-mail to Shell. Below is the e-mail I sent.
And here is the answer.
Now, Like I have stated from the beginning. TTG is nothing more than detergents added to the gas to aid in the cleaning of and to keep the engine and fuel system clean. Whether it has ethanol or not. The above e-mail from Shell proves my point. I also stated in the forums that ethanol is not being added to the gas here in San Antonio. I stand corrected. I have found out from the calls I made to a few retailers that ethanol is now in Shell, Chevron, Texaco and even WalMart Gas (Murphy Gas). Damn it. No wonder my MPG is not as good as it had been. |
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| Bad Bent | Nov 21 2009, 12:25 PM Post #2 |
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That's the "EPA's Renewable Fuels Standard" for you. Like I said: "If I want my Geo Metro to run on par with the BMWs and Audis I play with on the freeway then I use a TOP TIER gasoline. The TOP TIERs have the same higher standards. Techron is a fuel additive which acts as a detergent. As Shell puts it; "TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline helps keep engines cleaner than gasoline containing the minimum amount required by government regulation, and, thus, helps provide optimal fuel economy, performance, and reduced emissions."- Shell." Click. "Top Tier" is not ASTM. It is not found on ASTM.com. It is a BMW, General Motors, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and Audi term as far as I see from the web site"- Moi. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a Trademark now. Own a pair of "Vise grips?" "No wonder my MPG is not as good as it had been." bogs: "Well, winter itself will decrease your mileage, although I'm sure you all know that already. " I found this link: Air Density Calculator. and briefly playing with I calculate that for every 10 Deg. F of temperature drop air density increases approximately 2%. It is consistent so a drop from 80 to 50 Deg. F would be a 6% increase in air density. It's 28 Deg. out now, 70 two months ago. I've seen a 8% increase in density since I last wore an Hawaiian shirt w/o a jacket. So, yes, my car is using more fuel to push through denser air.
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| Metro Fanatic | Nov 21 2009, 12:54 PM Post #3 |
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Thanks for sharing what shell told you. Interesting. |
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| bogs | Nov 21 2009, 01:12 PM Post #4 |
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Duct tape heals all wounds
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BB, that was interesting about air density changing. So as well as the longer idle / start up adding that into the calculation makes sense
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| mwebb | Nov 21 2009, 01:25 PM Post #5 |
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it has been INcorrectly claimed that the only difference in top tier fuel to the NON top tier fuel is "the detergent " apparently operating under the INcorrect assumption that this is insignificant .... it is not there is also a do not deviate from recipe of additional specifications and components that MUST be present in top tier fuel that need not be present in F.R.E.D.'s gas so using ALL of the facts . make your own choice use what you want |
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| iamgeo | Nov 21 2009, 01:37 PM Post #6 |
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The EPA sets standards for gas that is used here in the USA. Therefor, the base gas that is used in TTG is the same base gas that everyone gets. The EPA also sets a standard for detergents to be added to the base gas. In order for it to be certified as TTG more detergents are added to the gas that are above and beyond what the EPA calls for. Edit: TTG is suggested by the aforementioned Auto Mfg to keep the engine and fuel system cleaner than what can be accomplished by the EPA standards. A cleaner engine and fuel system will result in better MPG. Edited by iamgeo, Nov 21 2009, 01:42 PM.
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| 3tech | Nov 21 2009, 02:05 PM Post #7 |
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Actually, you were lambasted for saying
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| iamgeo | Nov 21 2009, 02:08 PM Post #8 |
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Big League
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And I proved my point. |
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| 3tech | Nov 21 2009, 02:21 PM Post #9 |
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That you can't admit when you're wrong. |
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| iamgeo | Nov 21 2009, 02:33 PM Post #10 |
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Big League
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I was not wrong. TTG does NOT have to have ethanol it. TTG is about the additives, i.e. the detergents added to the gas. In order to be TTG it has to have a specified amount of detergents in it. |
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| Coche Blanco | Nov 21 2009, 03:57 PM Post #11 |
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Troll Certified
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Just stop, those of you who know you are right good job. Those of you that "know" you are right, good job. |
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| iamgeo | Nov 21 2009, 05:22 PM Post #12 |
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Big League
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This from TEXACO WEBSITE
From Phillips66
Aloha Petroleum
Hmmmm, why is it the above state that TTG designation is attained just by detergents to the gas? Once again I have proven my point. And here is why I keep harping on this. It appears that some people do not do any type of searching to get the correct answers. This makes them subject to scrutiny to any and all posts they make. I back up my answers with facts derived from actual seat of the pants testing. I also ask questions to those that are in the field and have hands on knowledge. And when I am wrong I will admit that I am wrong. |
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| 3tech | Nov 21 2009, 08:16 PM Post #13 |
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You are out of control. |
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| iamgeo | Nov 21 2009, 09:35 PM Post #14 |
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Big League
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I am just providing the proof to back up my claim. It just seems odd to me that the proof is staring everyone in the face and there are those that still can not or will not see it. The name calling and the patronizing are not necessary, but that is what people stoop to when they do not want to admit they are wrong. All I did was ask a question. Could not get a straight answer. I did some research and then I provided links to the correct answer for every ones benefit. Some people did not like the way I interpreted the TTG website. I then did what I thought was right and did more research. Found out my statements were correct. Provided proof and still people do not want to admit they were wrong. How that makes me "out of control" is beyond me. |
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| mwebb | Nov 21 2009, 09:46 PM Post #15 |
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if you repeat a partial truth 1000 times , that will not make it a fact . if anyone thinks they can pour some chevron techron in to a tank full of F.R.E.D.'s gas and they will have a tank full of top tier fuel they are delusional if anyone incorrectly assumes all the fuel sold in the USA meets the minimum EPE test requirements WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF ANY ADDITIONAL CONTAMINANTS they as just as delusional . ask someone who actually fixes broken cars , like me , who has drained tankfuls of unknown that will not support combustion or that has dissolved the protective lining on the inside of the fuel tank and fraked the fuel pump AND the fuel filter AND the injectors . top tier fuel that is really top tier fuel meets both EPA and Top Tier Fuel test requirements nuff said i am humbly apologetic if my real life experiences conflict with anyone's internet searches of public relations releases no intent to offend - thank me very much Edited by mwebb, Nov 21 2009, 09:48 PM.
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So, yes, my car is using more fuel to push through denser air.

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