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Top Tier Gas; From the horses mouth
Topic Started: Nov 20 2009, 10:18 PM (6,966 Views)
nerys
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IF TTG gas has to have Ethanol in it then I don't want TTG gas. Nothing but trouble :-)

PRE ETHANOL in over 1 million driven miles (nearly have that in ONE VEHICLE) I have never ever ONCE been able to see ANY mpg difference between "freds gas" and "primary" brand gas across multiple states beyond statistical limits.

POST E10 I see MASSIVE huge differences in gas from one station to the next with "fred's" gas being decidedly the worst.

For example I know wawa gas is 6-8% ethanol and I get 47mpg while "fred's" gas is 10-11% ethanol and I get 41-42mpg

is it the ethanol? seems to be but I will admit I don't really know. There could be MORE going on with the gas than that 3-4% ethanol difference.

what I do know is PRE E10 I saw "ZERO" performance power or mpg difference no matter where I bought my gas.
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iamgeo
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So tell us all the "partial truth" you claim I am spouting.

Where did I state that adding Techron into a tank of gas will make it TTG? Oh, I guess when you read that Texaco and Chevron were the first to meet the TTG specifications because of their Techron detergent additive you ASSUMED it was the same stuff you can buy at the store. In fact, the bottled Techron you buy at the local Auto parts store is actually formulated a bit differently than the Techron added to the gas at the depot.
I stated that the EPA has a base standard for gas sold in the USA. I never stated the gas is free of any contaminants. Of course there is going to be contaminants in fuel. The contaminants can come from everything the gas touches. Gas is not transferred in a "clean room" like what is used to make computer chips.
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ask someone who actually fixes broken cars , like me , (I did ask mechanics what they thought about TTG. Some like it,some think it is over rated.)
who has drained tankfuls of unknown that will not support combustion or that has dissolved the protective lining on the inside of the fuel tank and fraked the fuel pump AND the fuel filter AND the injectors .
And that makes you an expert?
Are you trying to state that TTG is FREE from any contaminants? That if the owners of those cars had used TTG they would not have had those problems? That their gas tanks would be as fresh and clean as the day it was installed in the vehicle? That the fuel system would be pristine, absolutely no contaminants would be in the fuel filter? You do know that the tanks at the local gas station, the trucks that haul the gas and even the tanks at the depot have a lot of contaminants in them. If not, That would make you delusional.


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top tier fuel that is really top tier fuel
meets both EPA and Top Tier Fuel test requirements

Exactly what I have stated from the beginning.

Edited by iamgeo, Nov 21 2009, 10:35 PM.
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Bad Bent
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Gentlemen, I hate to be the heavy here but if you can't agree to disagree then this Topic and others like it will likely go away. You can carry it on in a PM if you wish.

coche blanco said it quite well. :thumb


Edit: Or come up with some way to get nerys mpg back to where it was.
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iamgeo
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I am not conceding.
I do agree to disagree.
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bogs
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Duct tape heals all wounds

And I agree, but not wholeheartedly.
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iamgeo
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Ok Bad Bent.
You edited your post after I agreed to disagree.
This.....coche blanco said it quite well..... was uncalled for and shows you are not impartial.
Shove it.
Edited by iamgeo, Nov 22 2009, 11:21 AM.
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iamgeo
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Yesterday a sent a couple more e-mails to get their take on TTG. I am sure I will get the same answer I have posted in this forum.
TTG is nothing more than gas with more additives than the EPA mandates. Set to a standard set by the Auto manufacturers listed before.
Sometimes a point has to be drilled into people cause they are very hard headed.
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iamgeo
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nerys,
I agree that ethanol is a problem. I have been scouring the internet trying to find out where to buy gas without ethanol. Common consensus is to go to service stations that are around marinas. Try also places that sell to off road vehicles.
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nerys
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I tried that but even all the MARINA's in jersey and deleware river are all E10 now :-( I wonder how much money boaters have had to spend to replace fiberglass tanks. That can not be cheap.
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Bad Bent
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At http://www.examiner.com/x-4824-Tampa-Sports-Car-Examiner~y2009m3d29-Where-can-I-buy-ethanol-free-gasoline They suggest calling gas stations in the area. There are some links also.

add this to your comment on fiberglass, nyers http://www.oregon.gov/OSMB/news/E10.shtml

and http://www.whtm.com/news/stories/0709/642445.html
Edited by Bad Bent, Nov 22 2009, 08:24 PM.
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bogs
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Um, what was the problem with what Coche said :dunno All I can see him saying is everyone is right :dunno
Coche Blanco
 
... those of you who know you are right good job. Those of you that "know" you are right, good job.
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iamgeo
Nov 21 2009, 11:07 PM
I am not conceding.
I do agree to disagree.
i would let this go
except someone may see it archived and arrive at the conclusion that they should not use top tier fuel ....
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dont concede or do
either way
does not matter

use top tier fuel or your system will punish you ,
the difference between top tier and F.R.E.D.'s gas is larger than detergent
that is a fact .
what you choose to do with this fact is up to you

when you search on the internet ,
do not exclude those things from your search that do not agree with your current position
or you will never find what is real .

do not imagine a few hours searching on the internet trumps a lifetime of experience and training and education , i don't .

if you search
you can conclusively prove there is a civilization on the dark side of the moon that is not viewable by the mortals on earth .
does that make it real ?
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z34-5speed
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My oninion on the matter
Edited by z34-5speed, Nov 23 2009, 02:04 PM.
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iamgeo
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For some reason you are assuming that I think that F.R.E.D.'s gas and TTG gas are the same. I do not think that. I also know that F.R.E.D. does not take care of his tanks like the big names do. But cleaning the tanks is not part of TTG. I am going to assume you think it is. Also, I never said that I prefer F.R.E.D.'s gas to TTG. I do not use F.R.E.D.'s or Habib's gas. Been there done that, suffered the consequences. All I stated was TTG is just a lot of detergents and does not have to have ethanol in it. I even proved it with an e-mail from Shell. TTG had been sold here without ethanol. I also sent e-mails to Texaco and Chevron. Still awaiting a reply.

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when you search on the internet ,
do not exclude those things from your search that do not agree with your current position
or you will never find what is real


You are assuming that I only look for articles that will support what I want to see. That is not true. In fact I could not find anything that disputed my claim. If you find any please share.


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do not imagine a few hours searching on the internet trumps a lifetime of experience and training and education , i don't .

As far as TTG goes that statement makes no sense. TTG has only been around since 2004. So how can you have a "lifetime of experience with TTG?
Please explain in your own words what TTG is.
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You guys are all tough! :popcorn
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