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So Toyota is recalling vehicles; Geo has its share
Topic Started: Feb 8 2010, 02:29 PM (252 Views)
iamgeo	Feb 8 2010, 02:29 PM Post #1
Posts: 567 Group: Valued Members Member #798 Joined: May 25, 2009 Location Lakehills, Tx Year/Make/Model '98 Chevy Metro '96 Geo Metro Both 3 Cyl. 5 speeds & 99 S10 Chevy 4 cyl	I have seen a couple posts about Toyota recalls. Flaming Toyota about the recalls. How glad they are they have a Geo. Like the Geo has been perfect. Geo has had troubles of its own. Here is a recall concerning brakes. Quote: 1995 Geo METRO Recall Item Affected: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:DRUM Date Announced: 11/2/1994 Description of Recall: THE REAR BRAKE DRUMS WERE NOT CORRECTLY MACHINED. AS THE VEHICLE IS DRIVEN, LOSS OF WHEEL CLAMP LOAD CAN RESULT FROM THIS CONDITION. ONCE CLAMP LOAD IS LOST, ALL TIRE LOADS ARE DIRECTLY TAKEN BY THE WHEEL STUDS. THIS LOADING CAN CAUSE FATIGUE FAILURE OF THE WHEEL STUDS. Action Needed To Fix It: REPLACE REAR BRAKE DRUMS. Click here for more Geo recalls Recalls are nothing new to the car industry.



KY Metro	Feb 8 2010, 02:47 PM Post #2
Posts: 470 Group: Valued Members Member #1,551 Joined: Dec 12, 2009 Location Pellyton, KY Year/Make/Model 95 Metro 2 door supercar	True enough, but nobody said these Geos are high end cars. For the price of a new Toyota, especially a Prius, I would certainly expect better quality control.



starscream5000	Feb 8 2010, 02:55 PM Post #3
AKA 95_G105spd Posts: 1,252 Group: Tech Certified Member #1,061 Joined: Aug 5, 2009 Location Kentucky Year/Make/Model 1995 Geo Metro LSi 1.0L 5spd	KY Metro Feb 8 2010, 02:47 PM True enough, but nobody said these Geos are high end cars. For the price of a new Toyota, especially a Prius, I would certainly expect better quality control. This.



iamgeo	Feb 8 2010, 03:02 PM Post #4
Posts: 567 Group: Valued Members Member #798 Joined: May 25, 2009 Location Lakehills, Tx Year/Make/Model '98 Chevy Metro '96 Geo Metro Both 3 Cyl. 5 speeds & 99 S10 Chevy 4 cyl	Not all the Toyotas that are recalled are high end cars either. * 2005-2010 Avalon * 2009-2010 RAV4 * 2007-2010 Camry * 2008-2010 Sequoia * 2009-2010 Corolla * 2005-2010 Tacoma * 2008-2010 Highlander * 2007-2010 Tundra * 2009-2010 Matrix * 2009-2010 VENZA * 2004-2009 Prius I would still consider a Toyota if I was I was in the market for a new or used car.



iamgeo	Feb 8 2010, 03:09 PM Post #5
Posts: 567 Group: Valued Members Member #798 Joined: May 25, 2009 Location Lakehills, Tx Year/Make/Model '98 Chevy Metro '96 Geo Metro Both 3 Cyl. 5 speeds & 99 S10 Chevy 4 cyl	As vehicles get more technologically advanced there will be more problems with them. And that will not necessarily be a Quality Control problem. Some things can not be discovered until the vehicle has been in service.



bogs	Feb 8 2010, 03:10 PM Post #6
Duct tape heals all wounds Posts: 3,120 Group: Valued Members Member #1,286 Joined: Oct 5, 2009	The only problem I saw with Toyota was their reaction to the problem, it reminded me a great deal of the Ford reaction to the Pinto, i.e. deny there is a problem, blame it on the customer/random part, finally admit there really is a problem but of course, by the time the last part comes by, your credibility is shot.



iamgeo	Feb 8 2010, 03:22 PM Post #7
Posts: 567 Group: Valued Members Member #798 Joined: May 25, 2009 Location Lakehills, Tx Year/Make/Model '98 Chevy Metro '96 Geo Metro Both 3 Cyl. 5 speeds & 99 S10 Chevy 4 cyl	Quote: your credibility is shot Americans have a very short term memory. This will be forgotten, just like Fords exploding Pintos were forgotten. And all the other recalls and problems from ALL Vehicle Manufacturers. Toyota will be back on top in a few years time. Quote: • Recalls due to incidents of sudden unintended acceleration are not limited to the big five manufacturers. According to the NHTSA database, recalls have also been issued for vehicles made by Nissan, BMW, Volkswagen, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Mercedes-Benz, Kia, Mazda, Land Rover, Suzuki and Volvo. • In December 2009, Consumer Reports published an article that said 41 percent of the sudden acceleration complaints received by the NHTSA in 2008 pertained to Toyota and its luxury brand, Lexus. Ford came in second behind Toyota with 28 percent of the complaints relating to U.S. models. • Bottom Line: Sudden unintended acceleration is not a problem limited to Toyota. Many car manufacturers, including the other four with the largest shares of the U.S. market, have had to recall vehicles because of this issue. Article here



geminiheartz	Feb 8 2010, 03:24 PM Post #8
Ladybug's Mom Posts: 399 Group: Valued Members Member #1,042 Joined: Aug 1, 2009 Location Reno, Nv. Year/Make/Model 1996 (red) Geo Metro LSI - Auto 2 Dr. Hatchback	as a former owner and driver of two different "older" toyota corollas, an '87 and a '94, i can seriously say that the newer cars are wayyyyy too techie for me...if it didnt have so much techie stuff id love to get up to a 2000 model, if i hadnt gotten my lil geo ...its scary to not have yr brakes work much less have the "computer" get confused as to what is the brake and accelerator!!!yikes!... i do hope toyota can come out of this bad situation better than it has been ...you got to feel for the workers at the plants who probably think they did something wrong, which they didnt, it wasnt their fault, its all about the computer stuff i believe...even our computers that we type on get glitches just not when it involves driving, thankfully...



90metro	Feb 8 2010, 03:56 PM Post #9
Geo Stalker Posts: 961 Group: Valued Members Member #594 Joined: Mar 22, 2009 Location Pickerington, OH Year/Make/Model 90 hatchback 3/5, 91 hatchback 3/5 with rusted frame, 93 vert automatic	For me, I like disparaging the Toyota Prius because of the freakin' green movement. For example, if you didn't vote for Al Gore, change all the lightbulbs in your home or drive a Toyota Prius then somehow you're not environmentally-conscious. Whenever I pass a Toyota Prius on the highway I sort of look over at them with a HA HA! look because they've been bamboozled into believing they're helping the environment more than I am....and paid upward of $26k to prove it. But in reality, the Geo Metro owner CHOOSES to drive a Geo (even when we can afford a heckuva lot more) because we're the true recyclers (in rehabbing an old Geo) and fossil fuel minimalists (when it comes to burning foreign oil). But in reality, if somebody gave me a Prius for free or for under $1500 I'd probably buy it. But only then!!



bogs	Feb 8 2010, 04:52 PM Post #10
Duct tape heals all wounds Posts: 3,120 Group: Valued Members Member #1,286 Joined: Oct 5, 2009	iamgeo This will be forgotten, just like Fords exploding Pintos were forgotten. Fords exploding Pinto was never forgotten, which is why it makes such an apt comparison. Some 30 years afterwards people will still avoid ALL Pinto cars, not just the ones that had the problem, and I can't imagine too many places you could be and say 'Pinto' and not have someone else bring up the word 'explosion'. ___If your counting on short term memory to wipe something out, the last thing you want to do is keep dredging it up and making it worse with every iteration. I don't have a problem with Toyota as a brand, much less Ford as a brand, much less any other number of brands, and all brands as you point out have recalls. ___The difference is in how the recalls are handled, and quite frankly, Toyota crusked this recall up. No one else did it for them, they did it to themselves.



iamgeo	Feb 8 2010, 05:08 PM Post #11
Posts: 567 Group: Valued Members Member #798 Joined: May 25, 2009 Location Lakehills, Tx Year/Make/Model '98 Chevy Metro '96 Geo Metro Both 3 Cyl. 5 speeds & 99 S10 Chevy 4 cyl	I'm not sure of your age but people in their late 30's and older will remember the exploding '74 pinto. And you will see those same people driving a Ford. I doubt people younger than that will even know about it. And that's one of the things I mean by saying, people forget. It's not a big deal anymore. In fact I just remembered something about older pickup trucks that had the gas tanks behind the seat. Those were rolling fireballs also. Edited by iamgeo, Feb 8 2010, 05:10 PM.



bogs	Feb 8 2010, 05:18 PM Post #12
Duct tape heals all wounds Posts: 3,120 Group: Valued Members Member #1,286 Joined: Oct 5, 2009	I dunno, either I'm not making the point clearly enough, or your missing it. If I'm not saying what I'm trying to clearly enough, I apologize.



iamgeo	Feb 8 2010, 05:30 PM Post #13
Posts: 567 Group: Valued Members Member #798 Joined: May 25, 2009 Location Lakehills, Tx Year/Make/Model '98 Chevy Metro '96 Geo Metro Both 3 Cyl. 5 speeds & 99 S10 Chevy 4 cyl	The exploding pinto was the '74 model. I doubt there are many if any people selling or looking to buy a pinto of any year. I do understand your point. My point is, as time goes by, people tend to forget and just not care anymore. They will still buy from a MFG even though it sold cars that explode or accelerate suddenly.



geminiheartz	Feb 8 2010, 05:54 PM Post #14
Ladybug's Mom Posts: 399 Group: Valued Members Member #1,042 Joined: Aug 1, 2009 Location Reno, Nv. Year/Make/Model 1996 (red) Geo Metro LSI - Auto 2 Dr. Hatchback	iamgeo Feb 8 2010, 05:08 PM I'm not sure of your age but people in their late 30's and older will remember the exploding '74 pinto. And you will see those same people driving a Ford. I doubt people younger than that will even know about it. And that's one of the things I mean by saying, people forget. It's not a big deal anymore. In fact I just remembered something about older pickup trucks that had the gas tanks behind the seat. Those were rolling fireballs also. hey im 35 and even though i wasnt at driving age at the time, around the mid 80's, i remember when people talked about not getting a ford pinto unless you wanna be picked up in pieces!!lol... my mom owned a 1982 ford escort station wagon, she got used only one year...ughh cant tell you how many problems that car had, my dad bought it for her (he had a mean streak i think)...anywho car wasnt moving as fast as it should come to find out whoever had it prior went thru the sand on the beach...tons of sand in the tranny and motor oil!!poor car never did get any better till its death in 2000 (after i owned it for 4 yrs.) w/ very low miles at that...that car had a bunch of recalls as well...



Coche Blanco	Feb 8 2010, 06:09 PM Post #15
is soon to be "Shaggin in the Wagon" Posts: 3,826 Group: Valued Members Member #982 Joined: Jul 15, 2009	KY Metro Feb 8 2010, 02:47 PM True enough, but nobody said these Geos are high end cars. For the price of a new Toyota, especially a Prius, I would certainly expect better quality control. This. Show me one of those models that sell for 8,995 or w/e the Geo sold for.



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