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| Geo Metro Front End SMASHED in by speeding driver; CRASH DATA Support Needed SEE PICS | |
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| Jittney | Sep 21 2010, 12:41 AM Post #16 |
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I am sorry you were in an accident. I'm glad you're OK Realistically the money you'd spend on fighting this would be more than the cost of another metro, not to mention the drag of legal paperwork. . |
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| 59RamblerWithFins | Sep 21 2010, 01:48 AM Post #17 |
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Dear Facetious Educated Donkey...I LOVE that name! Thank you for your kind words. "If it were in your destiny, you could have been killed in any of the big cars you owned." Yes, you are soooo right...however, I keep getting these feelings like I will get hurt in a Geo Metro that I would dearly love to have (premonition) so with that said...I will listen to my gutt instinct...not saying the Geo is not safe at all...just something has been bugging me for a some time now. This accident could have actually saved my life from a future accident. I got the car to do a lot of traveling around Pennsylvania for a photo project of mine (taking pictures of old delapidated Barns and Farmhouses). I am now going to focus on my 59 Rambler and get her road worthy ($500-$1,000.00) and I'm off! And yes, I've had positive vibes in regard to the Rambler and traveling. I do not know how many people have been in accidents or seriously hurt in Lemoyne/Camp Hill where my accident occured but I do know it's been going on for over 20 years because traffic violations (cars lined up illegally in the center lane) have been allowed by the boro to go on for over two decades now. I could have been VERY seriously hurt. I am wondering how many people have been seriously hurt. I am hearing sooo many negative reports about this stretch of road with no police enforcement in just the past few days since the accident. The guy who did the notary on my new vehicle was in an accident where I pulled out from 20 years ago! Talk about a small world. I DID wait for some time before deeming it was safe to pull out and the woman was speeding and mostly if not totally at fault. I'm positive that others have been hurt worse than myself in this area and I intend to put a stop to this. There are reasons why some things happen. I'm one of those that stands up for what's right. WOW! Cross country on a bike 15 times!!! Cudos to you! What a life you must have led! In nearly every case involving a car going straight down the road and a car making a left turn, the car making the left turn is deemed at fault if an accident occurs. The same concept as in rear-end collisions applies - where the damage is located is key to identifying a left-turn accident with your insurance company or in any Colorado personal injury claim. If there is damage on the front-end of one car and on the front-right side of the other, a left-turn accident has occurred. Exceptions to the “no fault” provision of a left-turn car accident include when the car traveling straight was traveling way over the speed limit or ran a red light. |
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| Woodie | Sep 21 2010, 06:19 AM Post #18 |
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EXACTLY the words I was just getting ready to write. Let it go, the cost of pursuing this claim would far exceed the value of your car. Besides, it looks fixable to me. |
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| dayle1960 | Sep 21 2010, 06:40 AM Post #19 |
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I was driving a LLV for the postal service (right hand drive, big white and boxy looking mail truck). I was turning right onto a 4 lane road. I looked left and saw a car a looooong way down the road. I turned into the near lane and BAM, out of nowhere a white flash streaks in front of my vehicle. I had t-boned a white tercel. NO WAY I thought. I had not seen that car. The only car I saw was the one a loooong way away. I talked with the other driver and he stated " I saw you looking at me, you had your head turned to the LEFT." I saw nothing but my actions were correct for the turn I was making. The lesson I took from that accident was that your eyes lie. There was not enought time for my brain to process what my eyes saw and I jumped on the gas before I knew I was in a bad situation. My eyes lied. So now, I just wait a couple of extra seconds in order for my eyes to see everything that might be coming down the street. I agree with mwebb, you failed to yield. Give up the lawsuit and be glad you walked away. Learn a lesson. Get on with your life and be happy with ten toes and ten fingers and a intact melon. |
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| Spock | Sep 21 2010, 08:28 AM Post #20 |
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Maybe its your fault, maybe not. Doesn't matter. Geo's are cheap, your life is priceless. The argument that big cars are safer doesn't wash with me. That argument is usually made by people who are 100 pounds overweight, smoke, drink, do drugs or something else FAR more likely to shorten their life. Maybe you don't fall into that category. I dunno, but I do know this: WAAAAAYYYY too much time and money is spent in courtrooms on frivolous lawsuits in this country. It was an ACCIDENT treat it as such and move on with your life. As said before you will spend more time and money trying to prove she was speeding than its worth. As for the Geo; it looks fixable to me from the pictures. You will probably need an entire donor car, but shoot, find one with a rusted frame and a good front clip and I'll bet you can pick it up for a song! If you did go that route, it would make an awesome project thread! Or, I'd jerk the engine and tranny and other good stuff outta that one and let it be someone's donor car. Don't junk it, it'll just wind up in the crusher, and that would be sad Good luck you bro, let us know how it all pans out for you. P.S. Lets see some pictures of your rambler! |
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| Coche Blanco | Sep 21 2010, 10:00 AM Post #21 |
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Judging by the pictures of that rode, she would needed to have been going around 200mph for you to have never seen her. Was she? Edited by Coche Blanco, Sep 21 2010, 10:09 AM.
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| bogs | Sep 21 2010, 10:02 AM Post #22 |
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Duct tape heals all wounds
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Hey now, stop talking about me!
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| 59RamblerWithFins | Sep 21 2010, 10:06 AM Post #23 |
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![]() Me, My Rambler and My Komondor Dog Tisza As you can see MetroRob I am neither "100 pounds overweight, smoke, drink, do drugs or something else" The frames? in front of the radiator are bent. Two frame bars I believe I saw. Are they removable? Radiator fluid ran out and the floor clutch pedal? is dead as in having no spring action to shift with. Other than that...just a very big boo-boo to her front. In nearly every case involving a car going straight down the road and a car making a left turn, the car making the left turn is deemed at fault if an accident occurs. Exceptions to the “no fault” provision of a left-turn car accident include when the car traveling straight was traveling way over the speed limit or ran a red light. Edited by 59RamblerWithFins, Sep 21 2010, 10:13 AM.
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| bogs | Sep 21 2010, 10:27 AM Post #24 |
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Duct tape heals all wounds
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That is one extremely nice looking Rambler (what I can see of it anyway)
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| Bad Bent | Sep 21 2010, 10:38 PM Post #25 |
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Absolutely, if you have the feeling or whatever, go with it. And especially if it has been bugging you. I don't get the voices or feelings, but there is guidance and you should go with it. Mine is just different. So get the Rambler going, that should be a fun project also. Actually, part of the Geopalozza in Ashtabula, OH was/is a covered bridge tour - or so I hear and have seen pics of. Barns and farmhouses sounds like fun. We have Roseberry General Store and my friend Frank who has rebuilt the town and many of it's barns. We got lots of Finns here. I took a look at my '91s front assembly and it is welded. It can be replaced and could be good as new with some welding and parts from a donor car.See large uni-body spot welds. Granted it did not move the engine back and bend the motor mounts. Tisza looks like a lot of fun to travel with in the Rambler. I see the paw trim, our Pom got a line cut and then a full body cut in the Spring. If you travel together perhaps you've tried dogfriendly.com? Life has been fun, I must say. I may have passed through Carlisle, Pa in 1982 going from Montreal to Roanoke, VA. Part of L.A.-New Orleans-So. Carolina-So. Maine-Baha'i Faith Conference in Montreal-Roanoke. Never traveled in a straight line. In 1983 it was Roanoke, VA-St. Louis, MO-Austin, TX- New Orleans-Miami. Always New Orleans for coffee and Beignets at the Cafe du Monde.So, please stick around and keep this as your forum. Past, present and future Geo owners are here, even wanabes and everyone has other vehicles. I know we would like other pics of the Rambler. |
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| nerys | Sep 21 2010, 11:10 PM Post #26 |
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Mwebb you are not correct. I am sorry dude but reality check here. It is not illegal or even an issue to pull out in front of someone from a stop sign. I do it every day and YOU do it every day. Are you telling me there has NEVER been an oncoming car AT ANY DISTANCE when you pulled out from a stop sign? I call BS if you say yes. There is a certain set of expectations in place here. IF a car is on a 35mph road and is 2000 feet away its perfectly ok to pull out. you will be in the roadway and "upt0" 35mph long before the car gets their. now if that car was doing 100mph Your entire basis for making that judgement call on if to pull out would be based on completely flawed data that is of NO FAULT OF YOUR OWN. In the eyes of the law 100% fault would lie with the one doing 100mph. NOW this does not mean this is what happened in this case. In fact it probable was unintentionally the OP's fault since as he stated he could not SEE the other car coming. There COULD be conditions under which it was the other drivers fault but it would be difficult to determine that (the other driver could have rapidly exited from another road or driveway etc..) to the OP. Believe it or not we all have a "blind spot" right in front of our faces. the very CENTER of your eye where the optic nerve exist your eyeball to goto your brain. You can not "see" here its a blind spot. Both of your eyes have this blind spot. USUALLY your one eye "fills in" the blind spot of the other eye and vice versa. Sometimes when your "scanning" your eyes are not in "sync" and you get a blind spot (you do not see this blind spot your brain "fills" it in for you with fake data) if your SCANNING at the same exact speed as the CAR is oncoming and it happens to be inside this blind spot. Well you will never see it coming. this is a pretty big problem for me since I only have ONE eye so I have a permanent blind spot. SO what I have learned is Critter Scanning. ie I scan in jerking motions so I am never scanning at a "constant" rate thereby reducing the chance of me missing a car in the blind spot. |
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| slander | Sep 21 2010, 11:27 PM Post #27 |
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nerys, According to Washington State law (May not be applicable of course.), he would be at fault regardless for failure to yield. I had a very similar scenario play out several years ago. I was at a complete stop at a T-intersection. I was driving a Ford pickup that was about as worthless in wet weather. The intersection I was pulling out into had a slight bend, with foliage on each side of the road concealing traffic. I pulled out, slowly, so I didn't spin out in the truck. Yes, it was THAT easy to break traction in this pickup. I had a vehicle come up so fast, that by time they came around the corner, they hit me on the passenger door, when I was about half way into the turn. They were obviously speeding. State patrol came out and investigated, and found the other drive was driving at least 60mph in a 35mph zone. I was ticketed, fined, and found to be 100% at fault for Failure to Yield. I argued the point in front of a judge to the point where I was nearly found in contempt. (I got rather loud with the judge) It was explained to me that the other driver, regardless of speed, had complete lane possession, and I did not. Again, this was Washington State law, but I'm sure other states are going to be very similar. And that's another good reason why I no longer drive a Ford. |
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| Horn | Sep 22 2010, 12:16 AM Post #28 |
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this is like a wreck I was in where a few friend and I took a left turn off the highway and didn't see the other car.....WHAM! totalled the explorer and the other shitbox car. None of us saw the car at all until a slight moment before contact. after we thought about it, itwas getting close to dark and they didn't have the lights on, but honestly it was our fault. Anyways im not saying you can't be upset, but all of us as drivers need to take fault when we make a mistake. You can always find what little things the other person did that could be illegal or cause the wreck, but by you pulling out in front of the car even though you looked and stopped, its still your fault. also the car took the brunt of the abusive and looks smashed in nicely. That wouldn't bother me one bit, because that means that all the shock was absorbed. kind of like how any indy car....or is it formula 1.... is made out of carbon fiber. when they wreck it looks horrible, but really thats just the carbon fiber breaking off taking the shock. And on top of all of that look at it this way.....atleast it wasn't your rambler that got hit. Even though it wouldn't look as bad, it would be a lot more to fix. |
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| Ryan | Sep 22 2010, 04:44 AM Post #29 |
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No comment on who or who isn't a fault. It's an old Metro, I would just move on find another one. No sense using your time and energy trying to prove something to your insurance carrier. Nice debate, but we gotta give some compassion to a fellow Metro owner! |
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| Dmitri | Sep 22 2010, 10:51 PM Post #30 |
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As somebody that works in autobody repair industry and does estimating every day,as well as having owned a 94' Firefly and knowing how they're built, frankly your photo does not in any way show that the other person was speeding. If anything it shows they probably were not. I have seen much sturdier cars suffer this sort of damage at lower speeds than 35mph.
Edited by slander, Sep 22 2010, 11:22 PM.
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