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Topic Started: Oct 8 2010, 07:25 PM (1,175 Views)
nerys
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"oil is still used because it is the most efficient energy we have, wind and solar has not proven to be the answer it's undependable and not enough power some do not think it ever will be the answer"

Do you truly actually believe this? oil is one of the VERY WORST possible fuels we can use from ANY efficiency stand point save Two.

Control and Profit.

those are the ONLY two benefits of oil. Period.
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Oct 9 2010, 06:30 PM
Peak oil my A$$..more scare tactics...google abiotic oil. Oil with no biological remnants.

peak oil...pffffff

:shit "hi, I'm big oil, you can trust me" :shit
That's interesting Dugger, that's the first I've heard of this. A replenished supply of oil.
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unless its something we as consumers can make cheap in our garages with materials not controlled restricted or monopolized it does not solve the "core" problem.

We have a controlled resource that we have no real choice but to buy and have no real say in the price.
Edited by nerys, Oct 9 2010, 09:16 PM.
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nerys
Oct 9 2010, 09:16 PM
unless its something we as consumers can make cheap in our garages with materials not controlled restricted or monopolized it does not solve the "core" problem.

We have a controlled resource that we have no real choice but to buy and have no real say in the price.
I googled abiotic oil Nerys. It basically is a debate on how oil is formed by decomposing organic matter. Other oil contains no traces of being organic and is said to be made from within the earth by magma. So if this is true then new oil is being made everyday. Researchers say they have proof.
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Here is my conjecture on Michael Ruppert. I believe he was a scaremonger on a mission to broadcast a willfully exaggerated justification for the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. His movies convey the extreme importance of hydrocarbons generally and oil specifically as an energy source. His warning about an imminent peak in production is about half true and half false. There is indeed a peak in production of light sweet oil from land-based resources which we may presently be near. This peak is only a fraction of the problem though. India, China and lots of other nations are growing so fast that this year, in spite of the recession, the world is using about 3 million more barrels per day than last year. This growth in demand is so vigorous that land-based resources of petroleum will not long be able to keep growing to meet it. So why are his claims half false? Two reasons. Off-shore, deep water reservoirs may be widespread and less daunting to harness than he lets on. And, the bigger reason, "fracking" technologies developed in just the past ten years have opened up enormous reservoirs of natural gas. Natural gas is the ultimate hydrocarbon fuel. It yields more BTU's of energy per unit of CO2 released than any other hydrocarbon fuel. You can use it straight, use it to wash and crack tar sands, or make liquid fuels like gasoline, diesel, or JP8 out of it by the Fischer-Tropsch process. (See the company SASOL... who build giant FT plants.) The use of natural gas to manufacture increasing percentages of our transportation fuels is just beginning.

So, I think fear-mongering was Ruppert's way of manufacturing consent for the wars in the middle east. The real motives for these wars probably go back to ideas presented in a 1997 book called The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brezinski. So-called Neoconservatives in the Bush Admin started talking about the need to invade Iraq in the very first NSC meeting of the W administration in January of 2001. While energy is related to power in Physics, the real power of dominance in the energy-producing regions is political power not physical power... and it is not so much the ability to secure our own energy resources per se, as the ability, in a crisis to deny them reaching others. I think that no matter who the super-power was in the world in the past decade, they would have made some kind of move in the Middle-east. I was hoping those moves would have been of a more benign, business-like and mutually-beneficial manner. But thinking like that has killed even Presidents. (I refer to JFKs American University speech.)

As a sop to Nerys, all those alternative sources of energy you mention await critical breakthroughs in battery technology. I know that great things are possible today, but as Peak Oil approaches, the number of battery tech innovations that will erupt from Universities and labs around the world will make your head spin. At some point the energy density of batteries will likely exceed that of gasoline, and when that happens, the age of internal combustion engines will begin to wind down.

I do not see the catastrophe that Ruppert predicts. I see gargantuan challenges and opportunities. For instance, it is only a matter of time before we have strains of algae that turn sewage into hydrocarbon fuels. That will literally turn shit into money, and municipalities that operate sewage treatment plants might one day generate revenue by selling the waste streams to bio-fuels plants.

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