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| nerys | Nov 6 2010, 11:46 AM Post #16 |
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BTW some examples of how this is a clear attempt to USE a system to profit and then alter that system so no one else can giving you complete control. How was this nation formed? by secession from britain. What is one of the first things we made illegal? Secession. How cute :-) The biggest culprit in this day and age is DISNEY. they are the primary reason copyright is "OUT OF HAND" by lobbying the legal system to extend copyright basically forever which it was NEVER supposed to be. NOW does anyone know how disney got started? Steam Boat Willie. Did any of you know that disney DID NOT CREATE this character? No they did not. They pulled it from the "public domain" thats right DISNEY got its start by accessing the public domain. and what is the one thing disney has worked so hard at UTTERLY DESTROYING in its lifespan? The Public Domain. They have insured that NONE of their products will ever enter the public domain. Every. Effectively killing the very thing that allowed THEM to even exist. Lion King? Public Domain Alladin? Public Domain Beauty and the Beast? Public Domain Need I go on? they take take take from the system that created a public domain YET because of how they modified out legal system they have insured that as long as "DISNEY" exists Mickey Mouse will NEVER EVER enter the public domain not even in 500 years. Pure Greed. its as simple as that. it has nothing to do with artists. Just corporate greed. Most of the artists for these creations are DEAD but their "copyright" lives on in the immoral and illegal "personhood" of the corporations Disney. |
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| Coche Blanco | Nov 6 2010, 12:01 PM Post #17 |
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I agree with Nerys from the "sales" standpoint. Example: KiD CuDi's "Man on the Moon II", I downloaded it, and I won't buy it because...it sucks. I downloaded CuDi's first mixtape, "A Kid Named Cudi", and bought it later because it was amazing. I have tons of CDs from artist I wouldn't even know about if it wasn't for the "illegal" downloading of music. Edited by Coche Blanco, Nov 6 2010, 12:02 PM.
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| nerys | Nov 6 2010, 03:17 PM Post #18 |
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This is actually know to happen. CD sales are a strange thing. People have a "budget" for media purchased. it does NOT change by much. Something strange happened though. When napster came out they say a 7-8% rise in CD sales. Now keep in my in record sales terms this figure is simply astonishing. its HUGE. I am part of this "rise" when I first logged into napster (the original "illegal" napster over 10 years ago) I suddenly found more music than I knew what to do with. I was downloading thousands of songs. I would find one sharer who had a T line or even better and Octal connection where I would get HUNDREDS of kbps a second (back then this was insanely fast) so I did not CARE what he had. i just highlighted his ENTIRE share and leeched the whole thing. over the coming weeks of months I would "sift" through what I grabbed. I bought more CD's that first year on napster than I had EVER PURCHASED IN MY TOTAL LIFETIME prior to that combined. I have a broad taste in music but its a picky taste. In fact there is only one kind of music I hate and thats "rap" unless its in japanese then its hilarious (don't understand a word but sounds funny) I suddenly found TONS of music that I loved. a lot of other people did the same thing. It was like the largest most complete public radio station in the history of mankind and we were finding ALL KINDS of great music. one problem. The labels were losing CONTROL so while profits were up they saw the LONG TERM damage this kind of freedom would cause to THEIR bottom line (not the artists bottom line) we were buying more CD's but not the CD's they WANTED us to buy. it was the CD's WE wanted to buy. Free access to music can ONLY have one end result. INCREASED REVENUE FOR ARTISTS. it just might not be the artists YOU (labels) WANT it to be. its the CONTROL they fear losing because once they lose that all the control reverts to where it belongs. the artists and the fans. |
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| Ryan | Nov 6 2010, 03:53 PM Post #19 |
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I wonder if she even has a job. |
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| Horn | Nov 6 2010, 06:15 PM Post #20 |
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she probably makes like 30k a year and would never be able to pay it off. |
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| nerys | Nov 6 2010, 07:19 PM Post #21 |
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The purpose is to set a precedent that is all. TO set the idea in our minds that this is a serious crime when in reality its not even an infraction in my book not to speak of a "crime" |
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| Woodie | Nov 7 2010, 07:30 AM Post #22 |
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No one has brainwashed me, you of all people know how hard headed I am. I know right and wrong, and the very first time i ever heard of file sharing I said "that's theft, can't possibly be allowed". Problem is there's no way to police it, so it's not allowed, it just runs rampant. The artist creates a work and sells it, doesn't matter if he sells it himself or signs on with a record company to get screwed, that's a completely separate issue. Someone buys his work, copies it, and proceeds to give it away free. That's like standing in front of Barnes and Noble handing out photocopies of the same books they're selling inside. When you buy a product, you're buying it for your use. That's why digital copies on DVDs are cool, or making multiple copies of a CD for use in multiple computers, rooms of your house, or cars is okay. But when you start distributing that work to others, they haven't paid for the right to use it, that's where you're stealing from the creator. |
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| Woodie | Nov 7 2010, 07:32 AM Post #23 |
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That's time shifting, completely different thing. There's no copy that you can pass on to others, you're merely changing the schedule of watching something you have already paid for. |
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| superduty5.9 | Nov 7 2010, 09:42 AM Post #24 |
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I also pay for internet access so if I download a song or movie that's fine right? With my DVR I also hooked up an external 1TB hard drive which Dishnetwork allowed me to do. I can then transfer these recordings to other devices or media. I have a question. On network tv shows if I can get it for free with an antenna or if I download it what make the difference? So if I hear a song on the radio for free or I download it why is that different? To me these are the same. |
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| Woodie | Nov 7 2010, 09:59 AM Post #25 |
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Over the air TV and radio are paying the creator of the content per airing. You're remotely paying for that by listening to the commercials. Paying for Internet access is merely paying for the delivery, not the content. Most places that allow you to download content require that you pay for it. Some do not, but most of those have advertising. Have you ever actually transferred a movie from your DVR to your computer? I have a feeling it's in a format your computer wouldn't understand. DishNetwork allowed you to expand the capacity of the DVR. If you can, in fact, transfer that over, then it's a loophole that will be shut down as soon as it comes to the studios' attention. Edited by Woodie, Nov 7 2010, 09:59 AM.
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| superduty5.9 | Nov 7 2010, 10:06 AM Post #26 |
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Yes Woodie it is in a different format but with the right program....... |
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| Ryan | Nov 7 2010, 10:09 AM Post #27 |
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Dish Network? lol, is that still around?? |
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| nerys | Nov 7 2010, 10:52 AM Post #28 |
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Oh woodie you really have no idea do you. Radio pays NOTHING to air music. They are allowed to go out and get any CD they want and AIR IT for nothing. they pay not one penny. (thats one of the things the LABELS are trying to change right now more on that later) The reason? its GOOD for the artists so its considered "fair use" Different format? VHS and DVD and "NTSC" (what your DVR takes in and spits out) are perfectly normal open and CLEARLY understood by your PC formats. There is nothing special unknown or unclear about it. My computer has little RED WHITE AND YELLOW jacks right on the back. I can plug in ANYTHING that puts out RCA SVIDEO Firewire or HDMI signals and just hit RECORD and its 100% legal. I can plug in a tape player. cd player, vhs deck. camcorder, dvr or anything I want. you can do out and BUY the adapter to update YOUR computer woodie for about $30 at radio shack its called a dazzle. all of this is 100% legal. Now lets go back to my example that YOU are ignoring please. The radio which paid NOT ONE SINGLE PENNY to air a song airs a song I like and I hit RECORD on any one of my recorders. I have broken NO LAWS. 100% legal. I take that MP3 and copy it to my car to my portable to my CD players STILL 100% legal. I give YOU woodie a copy of that song I recorded off the radio. still 100% legal. NOW I tune into a DIFFERENT radio station. www.torrentwhatever.com (no idea if that is real or not) and listen to the SAME SONG. copy that song to my computer my portable. I give you a copy of that song. THIS is suddenly illegal? this is suddenly THEFT? and AGAIN you grasp on the language you are speaking is a little loose. PLEASE explain to me under WHAT definition you can possible consider COPYING SOMETHING "theft" I have yet to find ONE SINGLE consumer or legal dictionary with a definition of THEFT that applies here since NOTHING IS EVER STOLEN. I await your response. Let me say that one more time. THE RADIO PAYS NOTHING TO AIR THE MUSIC THEY PLAY. and your DVR? Time Shifting? your kidding right? you do realize you can keep it on that TIVO as long as you please right and thats 100% legal. You do realize you can COPY that content from your DVR to a TAPE OR DVD and its 100% legal right? YOU DO REALIZE its 100% legal for you to hand that TAPE or DVD to your friends family or co workers right? "If you can, in fact, transfer that over, then it's a loophole that will be shut down as soon as it comes to the studios' attention." its rather easy actually. I plug my DVD Recorder into the DVR I hit PLAY on the DVR I hit RECORD on the DVD Recorder. I take that DVD and pop it into my DVD drive on my laptop or desktop and I hit PLAY. 100% legal. Nothing the studio can do about it. The only way to stop this would be to TAKE CONTROL of my hardware in some way. HOW can you possibly think this is moral? my property belongs to me. No pun intended from the other big thread here but I AM GOD to my property. it does what I say when I say it or its not my property and I want nothing to do with it. I do not even RECOGNIZE the right of any corporations or agency to "take control" of my property and dictate terms to me. In fact I refused to even BUY a dvd player or a DVD until it was possible for me to 100% eliminate the encryption on the DVD's because with encryption and CSS enabled the DVD can "dictate" terms and commands to my hardware and take control of it (ever try to "skip" the FBI warning or some of the ADS in the beginning of DVD's?? ever wonder why that don't work?) I do not accept that anyone has the right to take control of my property except for me. Period. SO AGAIN I await your answers. I know I won't get any valid answers. you have already made up your mind that you incorrectly call this THEFT and you will not easily change your mind and your EGO won't allow you to change your mind (this is not an insult this is normal human psycology) I have the same problem (though in this case the facts back me up) all people do. so at best I expect a non answer or to be flat out ignores and you to go on incorrectly calling it THEFT. as for "make my funny scanner illegal" well thats different now isn't it. Making illegal and calling something theft are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. it already is illegal. its called copyright infringement. and I agree malicious copyright infringement IS WRONG (I don't think file sharing is malicious in any sense of the word) but you CALL IT WHAT IS IT. you don't FABRICATE NEW MEANINGS for existing words to "SUIT" your desires. you don't ALTER the english language to SUIT your agenda. you use the right stinking words. its NOT THEFT. its copyright infringement and that is ALL it is. |
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| nerys | Nov 7 2010, 10:55 AM Post #29 |
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now remember when I said I would come back to royalties for radio later? here it is. right now the labels are trying to ALTER 70 years of precedent that says RADIO can air anything they want without permission or royalty. They want to make radio PAY they want to CONTROL what radio plays (by virtue of making them pay) why? radio is without question GOOD for them ?? its easy. one of these days someone with half a damned brain is going to make the argument to a Jury with more than a 20 IQ that has not been brainwashed first that hey you can listen to FREE RADIO (free on both ends) record that and share that 100% legally how is file sharing even ONE TINY BIT DIFFERENT besides the medium of transmission? they know eventually the courts will ALSO come to this same conclusion. Just like CANADA has already come to this same conclusion. File Sharing without profit or commercial intent is 100% legal and can not be used to take someone to court. Eventually our courts WILL ALSO come to this same conclusion. 100% guaranteed. they KNOW THIS NOW so they are trying to alter the precedent NOW so that argument can never be used. |
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| Woodie | Nov 8 2010, 04:47 AM Post #30 |
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I would have sworn they did, they sure have to keep detailed logs of what they play and when, what's the purpose of that if nothing is done with it? Anyway, you have paid for it by listening to the commercials. You can record it and do anything you want with that recording except give the recording to another person. You can make 100 copies, you can play it for someone else, but as soon as you distribute a copy that someone else can take away with them, you've crossed the line. Edited by Woodie, Nov 8 2010, 04:56 AM.
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