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Mom gets 1.5 million dolar fine for downloading 24 songs; Crazy
Topic Started: Nov 5 2010, 06:51 AM (4,324 Views)
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horn12007
Nov 11 2010, 01:34 PM
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Nov 11 2010, 01:33 PM
I wish you could see my facepalming right now.
thats what you do everytime you look in the mirror.
Why?
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horn12007
Nov 11 2010, 01:45 PM
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Nov 11 2010, 01:42 PM
horn12007
Nov 11 2010, 01:34 PM
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Nov 11 2010, 01:33 PM
I wish you could see my facepalming right now.
thats what you do everytime you look in the mirror.
Why? I would hate my dad too if he wouldn't give me the most expensive car on the planet. I would also hate him if he required me to get a job. lol
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HavsCritiria
Nov 11 2010, 01:13 PM
Nerys, your argument on listening to the radio is invalid, when you pay for a song, you're paying for it so you can listen to it when you please. youtube is betoken of this, There are many music videos, and I can listen to them, so long as I'm on youtube. Once I'm off i can't listen to it when i want because it's not mine to listen to. When you listen to the radio it's the exact same thing. You buy the song you can play it when you want, because you purchased it. I can go to boomers, and ride their go-karts as much as i want, at their discretion on their property, but if i want to use it anytime i want, at my house, at a park, I've got to buy my own go-kart.
Uhh I think you jumped into a thread without reading it. Let me spell it out again.

RADIO costs nothing for me to listen to. 100% legal
100% legal for me to record ANYTHING I WANT on FM radio
100% legal for me to SHARE this with anyone I want

so YES I can listen to it "when I please" I just hit record and copy that recorded mp3 anywhere I wish to listen to anytime I please as many times as I please.

"but if i want to use it anytime i want, at my house, at a park, I've got to buy my own go-kart."

or just copy it.

If I made a COPY of one of boomers "go-karts" I could drive it anytime I want anywhere I want JUST LIKE when I make a "copy" of the song on the radio.

while I can't make a copy of boomers go-karts (yet) I CAN make a copy of that song and 100% legally.

this is not about right and wrong.

this is about saying copying a song to mp3 off the radio is 100% legal and sharing that mp3 with your co workers or friends on CD or Cassette is 100% legal (this has gone to court often and they lost every time its 100% legal fair use)

but if I do PRECISELY the same exact thing on a different frequency of the electromagnetic spectrum (802.11b instead of 99.5FM) its SUDDENLY inexplicably illegal.

Explain that to me.
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nerys
Nov 11 2010, 03:48 PM
HavsCritiria
Nov 11 2010, 01:13 PM
Nerys, your argument on listening to the radio is invalid, when you pay for a song, you're paying for it so you can listen to it when you please. youtube is betoken of this, There are many music videos, and I can listen to them, so long as I'm on youtube. Once I'm off i can't listen to it when i want because it's not mine to listen to. When you listen to the radio it's the exact same thing. You buy the song you can play it when you want, because you purchased it. I can go to boomers, and ride their go-karts as much as i want, at their discretion on their property, but if i want to use it anytime i want, at my house, at a park, I've got to buy my own go-kart.
Uhh I think you jumped into a thread without reading it. Let me spell it out again.

RADIO costs nothing for me to listen to. 100% legal
100% legal for me to record ANYTHING I WANT on FM radio
100% legal for me to SHARE this with anyone I want

so YES I can listen to it "when I please" I just hit record and copy that recorded mp3 anywhere I wish to listen to anytime I please as many times as I please.

"but if i want to use it anytime i want, at my house, at a park, I've got to buy my own go-kart."

or just copy it.

If I made a COPY of one of boomers "go-karts" I could drive it anytime I want anywhere I want JUST LIKE when I make a "copy" of the song on the radio.

while I can't make a copy of boomers go-karts (yet) I CAN make a copy of that song and 100% legally.

this is not about right and wrong.

this is about saying copying a song to mp3 off the radio is 100% legal and sharing that mp3 with your co workers or friends on CD or Cassette is 100% legal (this has gone to court often and they lost every time its 100% legal fair use)

but if I do PRECISELY the same exact thing on a different frequency of the electromagnetic spectrum (802.11b instead of 99.5FM) its SUDDENLY inexplicably illegal.

Explain that to me.
What he said!
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Ryan
Nov 11 2010, 12:17 PM
I am a very busy person (like most of you) and I have more things to worry about to the point I'm not going to sit on the Forum and argue my point over and over just to try to prove someone wrong.

Very busy, yet not too busy to keep reading a thread you don't like, and even comment on it!

Admittedly, we have taken it down a tangential path, but who's forcing you to keep up?

nerys and I will fight over "Tastes Great - Less Filling" we're just argumentative and stubborn.

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It's free, but recording it is not legal. The radio station buys the cd, and is therefore able to play the song(s) when they want. Which is why you can't choose what gets played. If you were to make a copy of this go-kart then you'd be stealing the patents set in place by the company that manufactured it. Same thing goes for music, you're not really buying the music, but what the artist has created. You're stealing His/Her copyrighted ideas. Regardless of what spectrum on which you record, they're both illegal, just like recording a movie at a theater is illegal. Thing about recording things on the radio, it can't be tracked, at least not now.
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Woodie
Nov 12 2010, 05:10 AM
Ryan
Nov 11 2010, 12:17 PM
I am a very busy person (like most of you) and I have more things to worry about to the point I'm not going to sit on the Forum and argue my point over and over just to try to prove someone wrong.

Very busy, yet not too busy to keep reading a thread you don't like, and even comment on it!

Admittedly, we have taken it down a tangential path, but who's forcing you to keep up?

nerys and I will fight over "Tastes Great - Less Filling" we're just argumentative and stubborn.

Nielsen (or one of the other pollsters) took a poll years ago on whether you like or dislike Rush Limbaugh.
Then they asked how many hours a week you listened.
The conclusion they came to was;
People who like Rush listen 2-3 hours a week.
People who dislike Rush listen 4-5 hours a week.
I don't like his stuff and I don't listen.
I must be one F-ed up guy.
But i love reading the banter on these threads.
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^^^^lol true that. rush is a douche. anyways, we better stop talking about him, its a bit on the politics side.
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"It's free, but recording it is not legal."

I am sorry but you are 100% wrong. recording what you hear on the radio or the television is 100% un arguably backed by much case law 100% LEGAL.

"The radio station buys the cd, and is therefore able to play the song(s) when they want."

uh according to the labels you don't buy the CD you buy a license and that license says NO public performance so explain the radio station thing again for me ?

"Which is why you can't choose what gets played."

really? I call up all the time (well used to) and they play pretty much any song I ask them for. The only other reason is one of "practicality" NOT legality.

"If you were to make a copy of this go-kart then you'd be stealing the patents set in place by the company that manufactured it."

Once again VOCABULARY FAILURE or LANGUAGE FAILURE I would INFRINGE the patent. not "steal" it. the only way to "steal" the patent would be to sneak into the patent office somehow and change the name on all the paperwork to my name and somehow convince everyone thats the way it always was. THEN I would have "stolen" the patent.

DO I have to quote the definition of STEAL to you again?

on top of that there are VERY few "go karts" that would be covered by patent. In fact its usually perfectly LEGAL to "copy" a physical object so long as you don't violate trademark and this is easily achieved by simply not including those trademarks (logo's etc..)

your average run of the mill go kart joint with 15 year old carts will have NO patents in effect on anything in those machines.

"Same thing goes for music, you're not really buying the music, but what the artist has created. You're stealing His/Her copyrighted ideas."

same answer as above about the patent. AGAIN do I need to quote dictionary definition of STEAL and INFRINGE for you again? USE the correct words.

"Regardless of what spectrum on which you record, they're both illegal,"

Again you are 100% dead wrong. Recording off the RADIO is 100% legal. Recording off the TV is 100% legal.

are you a United States Resident? I am thinking maybe your from a different country where recording off the radio and television is not legal ???

"just like recording a movie at a theater is illegal. Thing about recording things on the radio, it can't be tracked, at least not now."

They use "different laws" the stop movie recordings and IT IS different. your RENTING the movie essentially when you goto a theatre so you have NO rights to it except to watch it so they CAN make that illegal.

Different conditions though to radio and tv and file sharing.

tracking is not relevant ITS LEGAL.

Please educate yourself about the law in this regard. (assuming your in the USA)
Edited by nerys, Nov 13 2010, 09:18 PM.
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One. You say they're legal, but I see no backing; please provide me with a source.

Two. You're comments are menial, and insulting, If we're to get specific about language failure, you should review your writing, and your wrong use of "your, you're" as well as the many syntactical errors present in your writing. While I may not be entirely familiar of laws, I'm quite educated grammatically. You needn't belittle someone because your opinions differ. I do in fact live in the U.S, I don't see what indication there was to signify otherwise, but for the sake of clarity, I do live in the United States, specifically Florida, Lauderhill Florida.

Steal: To take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force.
As far as logic is concerned there is no "fail" in my writing.

And with that bombshell, I formally, no longer will take part in this debate.
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HavsCritiria
Nov 14 2010, 04:22 AM

Two. You're comments are menial, and insulting, If we're to get specific about language failure, you should review your writing, and your wrong use of "your, you're" as well as the many syntactical errors present in your writing. While I may not be entirely familiar of laws, I'm quite educated grammatically.
This, coming from the guy that told me "<3" is pronounced, "Less then three."
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Duct tape heals all wounds

This one is done.
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