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Texting While Driving in San Antonio, Tx; New Law
Topic Started: Jan 16 2011, 11:48 AM (6,125 Views)
CityConnection
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Sir, yes sir!

We require more vespane gas.
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iamgeo
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I thought we were done with this? It keeps going and going and going.........

Lets get back on topic.


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Murf 59
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I grew up in a pair of huge junk yards in LV. I have been in way to many cars that were fatal accidents. Way to many. Seen a lot of brains and hair and other nasty human parts in cars. The most important thing you do while driving, is driving. Pay attention. You are in a missle that weighs almost a ton if you are in our little Metros. It only takes a second of inattention and then you are headed for the morque and your car is headed for the other bone yard. Its real simple. If you are texting. You are not paying attention to your driving
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nerys
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I like fairly stupid (but friendly) arguments. they are fun.as much fun as you and I have talking about geo's I love involving myself in intellectually stimulating (even if going no where) arguments. JUST because they are fun :-)

"I am not disputing whether you used 'need' correctly - you used them correctly given by your context. I am disputing your insistence that the /only/ definition of 'need' is "requiring something that you do not have," which is incorrect."

sorry not incorrect. you are trying to place meaning where there is none.

The forum logo of this site is red.

in this context red means a portion of the color spectrum that we associate with that moniker ie just above infrared in the visible spectrum or Visible light to the human eye at approximately 650 nanometers.

this is the ONLY correct definition of this word in the context for which it was used.

even though red has other uses that have little to with the color of this logo.

That iron is red hot. we use it in this instance as a reference to its HEAT that its near molten (it also happens to have a reddish color at this stage but thats besides the point)

I defined the word under the context for which I used it. all other definitions are 100% wrong incorrect and irrelevant because to use them would ALTER the very meaning and context for which I was trying to use the word.

See what I mean? the only correct definition is the definition that fits the specific usage for which the word was invoked.

You always required food water and oxygen you do not always NEED food water and oxygen.

context. if they meant the same thing I would not be able to make differenciating statements.

such as hey shinrin. I need a 15mm wrench do you have one.

Sure chris here you go. (chris takes 15mm wrench from shinrin)

iamgeo walks buy hey chris do you need a 15mm wrench.

No thanks iamgeo shinrin gave me one so I have one already. thanks anyway though.

See how that works.

everything I stated was correct without error which shows need is not the same as require in this context.

If someone wanted to take the 15mm wrench I had I might reply

sorry I need it to finish this job.

Now you would argue wait you just used need where require is the correct word according to you.

Not so fast. you can actually use need or require here depending on your INTENDED context.

I can so I require the wrench to finish this work (correct and valid in the present tense)

or I can say

I need this wrench to finish this work. this is slightly incorrect usage of the word. contextual it works because your thinking of a future need and speaking from that "future tense"

when the stage comes where you need to use that wrench and you do not have it (because you give it up now in the present tense) you will have a "need" so you are creating a future NEED by giving up the wrench now.

this is technically not a correct usage of the word (the other person has to assume this future tense position as well to understand your context)

but we have used it incorrect this way for so long that we just "accept" it so in "some" instances the words can be interchanged and understood but technically this usage is incorrect without the "tense" assumption.

you should say I require or specify the future tense correct by adding a "will" before the need.

"I need this wrench to finish this work" is grammatically incorrect it should be

"I will need this wrench to finish this work"

hey look at me talking about grammar (they go read my sloppy posts :-) hehe

either way I hope that explains it.

NEED should only be used when you require something you do not have.

REQUIRE is the correct word to use for something you can not live without but already have.

NEED can be used to describe a requirement that will become a need in the future but should be correct preceded by "will" to denote this future tense. Or just use the right word. Require.


"If you are texting. You are NOT paying attention to your driving " (i added the emphasis)

could not say it better and this is what people refuse to get. its not your paying attention less or slightly less or differently. YOU ARE NOT paying attention to driving any longer

Edited by nerys, Jan 23 2011, 09:27 PM.
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iamgeo
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1) I don't know if I agree with texting being a law, but I do think its a problem. I'm in the less laws are better boat. It is a problem though.
Maybe a warning the first time you get pulled over, then a reckless driving fine the next time. It'd be wrong to eliminate the use of cell phones from cars, from a safety view. I've seen that suggestion throw around before, putting the device in cars that blocks cell phone reception.

2) Agree with CityConnection

3) You may be correct Nerys, I'm just arguing what I learned in school. The three needs are food, water, and shelter. The specifics don't really matter to me. I concede the grammar and specific points. I keep the shelter is a definite need though. You may do great out in the woods or wherever, but eventually you need to get out of the weather.

So, Texting on the road is bad. Vespine gas and Minerals are required. Nerys beats me with word play. Shelter is a need.

On a related note, the air force base here forbids cell phone use at all unless its with a blue tooth. There has to be something you can buy that reads you texts and you can speak a reply out. A speech to text generator for cell phones.
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nerys
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man that would rock! I have been looking for a long time for a good speech to text engine for my windows mobile phone so I could "talk" text message and have it read them to me. that would be fun.

have not found anything yet sadly.
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yiffzer
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Nerys, I asked you to bring evidence of an authoritative source that would agree with you. I took the liberty to search for such but sorry to say... no dice.
Edited by yiffzer, Jan 23 2011, 10:06 PM.
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nerys
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Ok I reread a few of your posts and can't find it. you want authoritative sources for what exactly?
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yiffzer
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If you still disagree at this point, you would need to provide evidence that explicitly shows the only way to use 'need' is in the context of not having something.

Something like that. :p
Edited by yiffzer, Jan 24 2011, 02:05 PM.
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jeff


Mr.Murf UR Rite.
Those that operate a motorcycle know this also.....many people do not pay attention when they drive.
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Shinrin
Jan 23 2011, 09:51 PM
1) I don't know if I agree with texting being a law, but I do think its a problem. I'm in the less laws are better boat. It is a problem though.
Maybe a warning the first time you get pulled over, then a reckless driving fine the next time. It'd be wrong to eliminate the use of cell phones from cars, from a safety view. I've seen that suggestion throw around before, putting the device in cars that blocks cell phone reception.

There has to be something you can buy that reads you texts and you can speak a reply out. A speech to text generator for cell phones.
I have been saying this all along. A new law is not the way to handle this. A DUI cannot be stopped by higher fines. A buddy just spent close to $10,000 on his DUI. He spent a total of 3 days in jail. The day he got out of jail he was drinking and driving again. A law and higher fines does nothing.

There is a newer smart phone for verizon. It will text what you say and send it. I will find out the name of the phone my buddy has one.
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Jan 24 2011, 03:52 PM
Shinrin
Jan 23 2011, 09:51 PM
1) I don't know if I agree with texting being a law, but I do think its a problem. I'm in the less laws are better boat. It is a problem though.
Maybe a warning the first time you get pulled over, then a reckless driving fine the next time. It'd be wrong to eliminate the use of cell phones from cars, from a safety view. I've seen that suggestion throw around before, putting the device in cars that blocks cell phone reception.

There has to be something you can buy that reads you texts and you can speak a reply out. A speech to text generator for cell phones.
I have been saying this all along. A new law is not the way to handle this. A DUI cannot be stopped by higher fines. A buddy just spent close to $10,000 on his DUI. He spent a total of 3 days in jail. The day he got out of jail he was drinking and driving again. A law and higher fines does nothing.

There is a newer smart phone for verizon. It will text what you say and send it. I will find out the name of the phone my buddy has one.
I think many people would learn their lesson after paying $10,000......I guess some people will never learn.

there is also an app for phones called phoneguard. if you are going 10mph or faster it won't let you text.
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yiffzer
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horn12007
Jan 24 2011, 04:20 PM
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Jan 24 2011, 03:52 PM
Shinrin
Jan 23 2011, 09:51 PM
1) I don't know if I agree with texting being a law, but I do think its a problem. I'm in the less laws are better boat. It is a problem though.
Maybe a warning the first time you get pulled over, then a reckless driving fine the next time. It'd be wrong to eliminate the use of cell phones from cars, from a safety view. I've seen that suggestion throw around before, putting the device in cars that blocks cell phone reception.

There has to be something you can buy that reads you texts and you can speak a reply out. A speech to text generator for cell phones.
I have been saying this all along. A new law is not the way to handle this. A DUI cannot be stopped by higher fines. A buddy just spent close to $10,000 on his DUI. He spent a total of 3 days in jail. The day he got out of jail he was drinking and driving again. A law and higher fines does nothing.

There is a newer smart phone for verizon. It will text what you say and send it. I will find out the name of the phone my buddy has one.
I think many people would learn their lesson after paying $10,000......I guess some people will never learn.

there is also an app for phones called phoneguard. if you are going 10mph or faster it won't let you text.
Ingenious.
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Horn


yiffzer the only reason I know about it is because I have stock in the company. lol

But it is a good idea for teens. anyone who texts or calls will get a message saying that they can't accept any messages/calls. Then I think it lets the parents know.....(not sure on the last one.)
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