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| Texting While Driving in San Antonio, Tx; New Law | |
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| yiffzer | Jan 24 2011, 05:11 PM Post #121 |
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Forgot His Manpurse
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:p It's a nice app. It would be perfect if teens had no way of overriding / deleting the app. People still do it (i.e. DUI) because they always seem to think they have a high chance of getting away with it. If you think you could do it, you often will do it. |
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| Horn | Jan 24 2011, 05:42 PM Post #122 |
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^^^^^ true. and just because ppl keep commiting crimes doesn't mean that you shouldn't punish them. I'm not saying that there aren't better ways, but until we figure something better we've gotta keep what we've got. I feel no sympathy for ppl when they get a dui.....even my brother who has 2 of them. |
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| yiffzer | Jan 24 2011, 06:11 PM Post #123 |
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Forgot His Manpurse
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My sister has got 4 of them. And crashed one time, deserved a DUI, but cops were nice enough to write it up as, "unsafe lane change." No pity but it sucks when you see someone cry while showing they really regret it (but they do it again!). ;( |
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| nerys | Jan 24 2011, 06:29 PM Post #124 |
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Grr
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well DUI is interesting. I have no sympathy for DUI cases but consider this. when you get drunk you are NO LONGER CAPABLE of making a logical sensible decision. You are no longer in control of your faculties. this creates an interesting conundrum of "choice" doesn't it. Imagine this scenario. someone stops you against you will and "shoots you up" with some sort of drug that effects your ability to operate. makes you "drunk" so to speak. you get in a car to escape and try to find help or "get home" you get stopped. is it DUI? assuming it can be proven what happened to you NO its not DUI. why? well now that is the question now isn't it. Why? I say its because you are under the influence of something that prevents you from operating correctly and prevents you from even KNOWING your not operating correctly. IE your incapable of a legally binding decision. SO why is a drunk person held to a different standard? (remember I have LITTLE sympathy for drunks) point is if your not in control how can you be held responsible? people say but you CHOSE to get drunk. thats not at cause here as far as I am concerned. did you INTEND to drive before you started drinking? did you INTEND to become intoxicated enough to inhibit your ability to drive? what if you drank alcohol stronger than you thought? See the issue this creates? our DUI laws are a problem. they punish SO MASSIVELY I mean to the point of literally destroying people's lives. the "fines" can be so large as to take an entire job all by itself to pay them. yet I DO NOT WANT DRUNKS on the road. how do we fix this fairly? I THINK I have a couple of solutions. one is a breath test to drive. Show your license and registration when you get to the bar. and "hand in" your keys. to get your keys back you must blow a .08 or less or whatever the limit is. above the limit the bar tender is lawfully allowed to retain your keys and call you a cab. bar should have an entry fee equal to an agreed upon "cab" fare for drivers. this would now be used to pay the cabby and put you in the cab to be transported home. its got bugs its got issues but its what I think could be a sound responsible start. Alas its not likely to happen since there is no revenue incentive involved for the state and in fact it would greatly REDUCE state revenue from those fines and surcharges they rape you for. Bartender should be absolved of all responsibility unless it can be shown positively that he intentionally let someone drive without following the procedure. (they could give a false set of keys or have a spare set etc..) |
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| Horn | Jan 24 2011, 06:43 PM Post #125 |
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well shit nerys....I didn't read your whole novel like usual, but after reading your first few sentences it does bring up a point. Not saying I agree with you nor am I saying I disagree, but definetely something to think about. |
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| yiffzer | Jan 24 2011, 06:44 PM Post #126 |
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Forgot His Manpurse
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Or bartenders could insist that they are not responsible for people who come in and go and will not have anything to do with them except serve them drinks. Capitalist or socialist? |
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| Horn | Jan 24 2011, 06:50 PM Post #127 |
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Idk.....I just think it comes down to people needing to take responsibility for their actions. and as for bartenders that would be a shitty position denying people alcohol..... |
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| nerys | Jan 24 2011, 07:38 PM Post #128 |
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But if your incapable of making a responsible decision how can you be held responsible for it? and if someone around you (bartender) KNOWS your impaired are they not responsible? (I NEVER think they should be LEGALLY responsible without intentional neglect) thats my entire point. Again I have ZERO sympathy for DUI's they kill so many people its not funny. but its a connundrum that society has NOT come up with a good answer for. Maybe I am just strange but if I see someone in trouble I have to help them. if I don't and something bad happens and I KNOW I could have done something about it I feel I am partly responsible for that bad consequence. deny them alcohol? no. Deny them their keys back. YES. |
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| superduty5.9 | Jan 25 2011, 01:51 AM Post #129 |
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This is getting way off original topic but I know a few drunks. One of which is a very nice girl who got a 5 year sentence on a felony DUI. She only served 2.5 years of it. Her 2 year old car was confiscated and her husband was stuck paying on a car she will never see again while she was in prison. She lost her license forever! When she got out she still owed almost $6000 in fines and attorney fees. After 2 weeks she started sneaking alcohol and her husband found out. He kicked her out, got custody of their daughter and filed for divorce. Some never learn!! As far as laws are concerned such as speeding, DUI, seatbelt, texting, ect. 10% concerned about safety 90% about making huge sums of money for local governments. A new law or fine will not solve any problems. I don't know the answer either but I do know new laws wont help anything! |
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| nerys | Jan 25 2011, 04:27 PM Post #130 |
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its not new laws that are the problem really its the REVENUE from those laws distorting how they are enacted enforced and applied. Which is why police like REVENUE increasing "DUI Checkpoints" which allow MORE DUI fatalities than they do actually going out and getting the truly drunk people off the road. the latter requires more work more money and gets you LESS revenue (but WOULD actually make us safer and remove more drunks from the road DECREASING fatalities). the prior (checkpoint) does nothing for DUI's (fatalities go UP) but makes a butt ton of money for almost no work (compared to the other way) the trick is to REMOVE THE PROFIT. make them non profit. make it so any money over actual strictly regulated controlled and monitored costs (lest things things magically start to cost more) and the rest goes BACK to the tax payers (reduced property taxes) alas what will actually happen is the state will go ahah! and raised property taxes so you pay the same amount after the "discount" and they get more revenue. but meh you get the idea. you have to REMOVE the profit (from ALL LEVELS of government) to remove the "incentive" suddenly a lot of "bad laws" such as primary offense seat belts for adults will go "poof" or simply be unenforced as would " illegal checkpoints" since there would no longer be a revenue incentive. BTW this is why we keep lowering the % of alcohol to be illegally drunk and WHY we instituted DUI check points. the truly dangerous drunk blowing a .14 WILL BE OBVIOUS to police. the guy blowing a .081 will be indistinguishable from a normal driver 99% of the time so the police will NEVER pull such a drunk over unless they happen to pull them over for something else unrelated. SO they need check points so they can "SMELL" the alcohol and then compel a test. alas while who knows how many police are "tied up" at DUI checkpoints the .14 drunk is getting the text or call saying HEY stay off 30 in hammonton they have a check point their. he drives around it and kills someone. While the guy who blew a .081 who would likely have made it home JUST FINE without endangering anyone has his life destroyed and bank account cleaned out. and all the other people with tiny minor infractions (out light missing bulb inspection just expired forgot a insurance card or reg card. FORGOT to renew reg expired yesterday etc.. ALSO get anal raped. and god help you if they even THINK there is drugs involved cause them its bail money impoundment and SELLING of your car and you lose any money on your person as "drug related" that you never get back even if you NEVER get charged with a single crime. See why they love check points? they CLAIM to want to get DUI off the street but REALLY just need revenue. BTW to go OT again (wow me OT :-) just kidding. anyway TEXTING is really bad. this is one thing that NEEDS to be illegal (in fact its already illegal but our litigous society prevents laws from being applied properly AND its another revenue source!! another power grab so lets make a new law) if you text while driving you are driving reckless. Period. thats already illegal no new law is needed. Just last night I flipped out on my brother. I look up (felt the car move odd) and he is heading into the other lane. I jump and yell what the F*&K are you doing? I look over as he turns the phone over. You F*(KING texting? I take the phone from him TELL me what you want to say and I will send it. he gets mad I say F(*K YOU. I want to get home alive you just drove into oncoming traffic (I open the phone) while typing 4 letters. do you think you would get to letter TEN before or after we T-Bone another car or that tree? My damned life don't you DARE endanger it like that for what? a freaking 10 letter text message? MAN was I fuming mad. and he wonders why he pays UP THE YOU KNOW WHAT for car insurance!!! Edited by nerys, Jan 25 2011, 04:37 PM.
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