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Jetta and Golf TDIs - Farfegnugen Cancelled!
Topic Started: Jan 18 2011, 07:12 AM (2,597 Views)
RopeS
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I was seriously looking for a Golf TDI 2door, early 2000's before I bought my Metro. The MPG is alluring but doing research I decided that I didn't want the repair bills when things went wrong. So here I am and very happy even though my Metro needs work. At least I can work on it myself if I so choose. (Sometimes I'm lazy) haha. I do really like the looks of them though.
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Jan 18 2011, 11:10 AM
I had a Rabbit pick-up (Caddy)it had the 1.6 diesel and 5 speed. It was one of the best vehicles I've ever owned. Parts is more expensive, it's German and we live in the USA. Germans are some of the best engineers in the world and car makers too. The wife wants a TDI Jetta. I may get her one soon. If you find one with a good price I wouldn't think twice about it, jump in with both feet. VW is a symbol of quality world wide. I never heard of reliability problems with a TDI in the Jetta or Golf. Also fuel mileage will be more than a gasser. Diesel is more expensive but you will still come out on top with the fuel mileage. I looked recently at a 2000 Beetle with a TDI and 5 speed. It gets 58 mpg. Not bad, huh?

As a side note diesels are cheaper to operate. During a tune-up filters are the only thing needed changing. They have no ignition system or any of it's related parts.
I was looking at the Honda Civic HX, Honda Insight and the VW TDI's long before I discovered Metros. I noted with sadness that they were increasing the size and horsepower of the engines year after year and decreasing the mileage every time. I don't think that any TDI made since 2000 gets similar gas mileage.

I also recall reading somewhere that there was periodic maintenance that only a dealer could do if you wanted to keep your warranty intact.
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Jim-Bob
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VW's are a very bourgeois car sold at a near proletarian price. They are the cars with a German name for people who can't afford proper German cars. As such, they tend to be a snobby brand which is why they command a price premium. When new, their interiors are quite nice ( was looking at a Jetta IV's seats at the U Pull It and was tempted to make them work in a Metro) but they just never stand the test of time.
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Jim-Bob
Jan 18 2011, 09:32 PM
If anything they are over-featured but under-engineered. Good engineering doesn't fail all of the time like the small stuff does in a VW. If you want gimmicks, you get a VW. If you want solid engineering you get Japanese.
Japs or asian can make a few good things. I like my Metros so I'll give you that. How about Toyotas? Rusty frames, gas pedals sticking, Kias, Hyuandais, ect. horrible engineering. Asians make disposable things well but nothing really with long lasting quality.

Germans on the other hand make quality known world wide. Mercedes (hold record for most miles on any diesel car in the world), VW, Porsche, Audi, Unimog, ect. If you want long lasting quality get German. VW is what you want.
Jim-Bob how many VW bugs were made around the world and sold around the world? The VW was made to be a quality common mans car that everybody could afford. They have far exceeded these goals and they are a proper German car!
A 2010 Jetta TDI gets over 50 mpgs here's a link!Jetta
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superduty5.9
Jan 19 2011, 01:30 AM
Jim-Bob
Jan 18 2011, 09:32 PM
If anything they are over-featured but under-engineered. Good engineering doesn't fail all of the time like the small stuff does in a VW. If you want gimmicks, you get a VW. If you want solid engineering you get Japanese.
Japs or asian can make a few good things. I like my Metros so I'll give you that. How about Toyotas? Rusty frames, gas pedals sticking, Kias, Hyuandais, ect. horrible engineering. Asians make disposable things well but nothing really with long lasting quality.

Germans on the other hand make quality known world wide. Mercedes (hold record for most miles on any diesel car in the world), VW, Porsche, Audi, Unimog, ect. If you want long lasting quality get German. VW is what you want.
Jim-Bob how many VW bugs were made around the world and sold around the world? The VW was made to be a quality common mans car that everybody could afford. They have far exceeded these goals and they are a proper German car!
A 2010 Jetta TDI gets over 50 mpgs here's a link!Jetta
Germany used to make awesome stuff in the past but since the 1990's they have lost the program. The Mercedes OM-617.XX turbo diesel found in the W123 and W126 was indeed one of the most reliable engines in the history of the automobile. Even the W124 which replaced the W123 was a good, solid car that many considered to be the finest car produced at any price at the time. That was 20-25 years ago. The cars that replaced them were well known for having lots of problems which led to Mercedes Benz losing much of their luster during the 1990's. Even the W123-the car model known for hitting one million miles more times than any other car in history- was not immune to criticism though. The cars made before 1982 had no rustproofing whatsoever and would dissolve into a pile of rust within 5-8 years in areas where road salt was used. As for Audi, during the 1980's it was known for having a host of problems- including a transmission that would suddenly shift into reverse. They did come out with Quattro in 1982, but other than that they really haven't been all that innovative since the days of Auto Union before the war. (Okay, maybe that is a bit harsh as some of the DKW models were kind of cool too and so were their progeny- the Trabants and 2 stroke SAABs that used their engine technology.)

As for the "Strength Through Joy Car"....err... VW Beetle, it's a great German Rip-off of Hans Ledwinka's design of the Czechoslovakian Tatra T-97. Ferdinand Porsche KNEW this at the time and told Hitler they would have to pay Tatra a licensing fee. Hitler's solution was the annexation of Czechoslovakia and subsequently forcing Tatra to cease production of the T-97. This matter was settled in a lawsuit in 1967 with VW paying Tatra 3 million Deutsche Marks for the intellectual property theft.

As for the number of Beetles produced, off the top of my head I will say 21,000,000. This is still less than the most produced Japanese vehicle of all time though- The Honda Super Cub. If you added the total number of Beetles, Model T's and Corollas produced together you still would not equal the number of Super Cubs produced. (Soichiro Honda is one of my heroes along with Hans Ledwinka, Andrei Nikolayevich Tupolev, Kelly Johnson, Colin Chapman and Yutaka Katayama. Well.... Leon Theremin too!)

Have the Germans and Europeans produced great things in the past? Yes, but so have the Americans. The thing is that the best designed cars today come from Japanese brands. They may have been designed outside of Japan (as many German vehicles are too) in this time of economic globalism, but the fact remains that it is Japanese management and quality control that is the envy of the world today. Sorry, but VW is no Honda in terms of having a history of innovation and engineering greatness in products produced for the common man. It's an also-ran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_T97
Edited by Jim-Bob, Jan 19 2011, 02:45 AM.
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Hondas are made 25 minutes from me in Marysville Ohio. Never owned one, Never wanted to own one, wouldn't ever suggest anyone own one. I have driven them before at the request of my dad to help him transport repaired cars. I know a few people that work there in the dept. that crashes them! They are good quality disposable rusty piles of :shit that everybody loves. I don't get it. Give me a 1999 F250 4x4 crewcab Cummins powered truck and I'm happy! :cheers
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Jim-Bob
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I have never owned a Honda either. However, I wouldn't turn down an Insight I with a 5 speed for the right price either. As for trucks, i have never had need of anything bigger than my 1998 Nissan Frontier 4x2 with a 2.4 liter 4 and a 5 speed. 362,000 miles and still going strong!
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yiffzer
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I would love to have a Honda Insight (especially the original).
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Sir, yes sir!

superduty5.9
Jan 19 2011, 02:36 AM
Give me a 1999 F250 4x4 crewcab Cummins powered truck and I'm happy!
You want a truck that doesn't exist from the factory.
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superduty5.9
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Yes. I already built one years ago but had to sell this past year since losing job. It was a F350 4x4 crew cab dually with a 12 valve. Next time it will be a F250 or a single rear wheel F350 with a Cummins common rail and maybe an Allison!
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Great comments guys!
I know what you mean about Dodges. I've got one and the engine has been great, but the front end and brake system is :shit
Still on the fence about the VW. Looks like "fahrfegnugan" sp? isn't all it's cracked up to be. Even if I don't get it, the wife will be relieved about the money and give me some slack when I go to overhaul the Geo!(She hates it when I work on anything that's not for her)
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Volkswagens are fabulous for 60K miles. Just make sure you pass that nightmare on to somebody else by that time.
Edited by Woodie, Jan 19 2011, 07:53 AM.
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Cobb
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My parents had the diesel rabbit and golf 79 and 85/86. The Rabbit was great, just way under powered. The golf was better, but most they got was 200k miles out of it. If you wanted a good diesel Id look for a mercedes 240d, 280d, 300d or abouts. Mines had over 470 thousand on the original motor before the body rusted out and drivers seat fell through the floor.
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the old 300D are gorgeous well built cars. my 76 300D was a little rust here and their (not much) but you could still close the doors correctly with a single pinky finger. (last of the "hand made" mercedes) still used horse hair in the seat padding :-)

the only reason I got rid of it (never put a SINGLE PENNY into them while I owned them) was they maxed at 35mpg. I was hoping to eek out 40's from them.

now that I have a metro I am less interested in diesel (except a 1.0 diesel for my metro :-)

but the one major advantage of diesels is that they can run on damned near anything.

when I did any oil change I took the oil and poured it into the gas tank.

30gallon tank of spindle oil free on CL. oh yeah 5 gallons into the tank each fill up.

in a SHTF scenario the geo won't last long but a diesel might. not for quality but for lack of FUEL for the geo.
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Best I got was 32mpg from mines. I loved how the drivers side seat slide back nice n far for us fat bastards.
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