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| slander | Jan 19 2011, 05:46 PM Post #46 |
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You know, the biggest thing to remember, they can't pull you over unless they have a reason. Looking at them, or waving, etc, is not a legal reason for them to stop you. |
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| CityConnection | Jan 19 2011, 05:54 PM Post #47 |
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Sir, yes sir!
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Chalk me up as another who has had favorable experiences with the Po-Po regarding my Metro. A few days ago I got pulled over for speeding by a county mountie. I wanted to hear the end of the radio segment I was listening to so I took the next street instead of mine and it's almost all down hill, so I just let her roll. He must of clocked me at about 55 in a 25. I normally don't speed, but I also almost never take that road either. I'm also acutely aware of the Crown-Vic headlights and didn't notice the cop behind me. Reason? In winter, the sheriff switches from car to suv and I never paid any attention to it as it followed me home. I pulled into my street and he lit me up. I pulled over and snapped on the interior light. Got out my license and spoke politely to the deputy. He said I had been speeding and I agreed and said I almost never take that way and I just let the car get away from me. He asked if I had any warrants, I laughed and said it would be news to me if I did. He ran my license and of course, it came back squeaky clean. He told me to slow it down because the roads were still slick (it had rained that day) and also said I should get my mirror fixed. I laughed and said that a rock had ripped it off on skyway. I thought I had been shot at it was so loud! He bid me good evening and I continued to my house arriving only 3 minutes later than I should have. How did this work out so well? It goes something like this: 1. I used respect when addressing the peace officer. However, I was not slobbering on his nuts either. 2. I never raised my voice when speaking to him. 3. I pulled over almost immediately. 4. I switched my interior light on and rolled down my window before he even got out of the car. Why? It lets them see inside the car from a distance and trust me, you don't want to make a cop nervous. 5. I didn't ague the point that CVC clearly states that as long as I have 2 functioning mirrors, I can leave that one broke forever. (CVC also states that if you have a tinted back window, you must have BOTH exterior mirrors intact. My sedan doesn't have any tint). 6. I never volunteered any information that was not asked of me. Notice anything with this list? Every number starts with "I". Unless you get a dick cop on a bad day, most problems that occur during a traffic stop come from the actions of the driver, not the officer. |
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| Memphis metro | Jan 19 2011, 05:55 PM Post #48 |
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If a police officer wants to pull you over it is not going to matter whether you are at fault or not, he is going to do it. Just like judges that do not rule by law from the bench but rule by their own selfish desires. Corruption is everywhere! |
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| Potter | Jan 19 2011, 08:47 PM Post #49 |
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usually if your from out of state... they'll leave you alone for anything on your car, like excessive window tint ect. if Radar Detectors are Illegal then their will be signs saying that if you have any exterior lighting on the car... i would put them on a switch save it for the Ohio border... thats the only state im sure of that its legal as long as its not... blue or red?? (correct me if im wrong?) i ran with my green under glow the past 2 years in Ohio... never got bothered. but yes like Coche said... Drive speed limit, use signals.. check all your lights before ya leave check them half way their then check them when ya get their... Do the same process when ya leave from Geopalooza and ya wont get any trouble . |
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| rmcelwee | Jan 20 2011, 08:40 AM Post #50 |
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http://geometroforum.com/topic/2701378/1/ Well, after starting a thread on "causing" two people to get speeding tickets I pulled a Houdini and got out of a ticket myself. We woke up Xmas morning and set out on a 6 hour round trip drive to pick up "Guzzler" (my new '94 hatchback). We drove all 6 hours in horrible rain and were exhausted when we got back. I pulled all of our stuff out of the car (drinks, maps, etc) and went inside to catch a quick nap before we left for Xmas dinner at the in-laws in the new Metro (wanted to show it off and start the fuel savings over the pickup truck that night - $3.00). We had dinner and on the way back there were cops everywhere (DUI checking). Of course we got pulled since there was hardly no one on the streets that night. So, here I am in a car with no proof of insurance, no proof of ownership, no tags on the back and two guns in the car (we both have our CWP). The cop is talking to us and we explained we just bought the car a few hours earlier. I couldn't believe it when he told us to move on. He didn't even check my license??? How did he know it wasn't stolen? How did he know I didn't have warrants? He did ask to look in the glovebox which was completely empty except for a ball point pen the PO left in there. Very strange but at least I have a good story to start out my Guzzler webpage <G>. |
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| nerys | Jan 20 2011, 12:07 PM Post #51 |
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Grr
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oddly enough that was a vaguely valid check point (all check points are illegal for the most part but if your GOING to have one the way he did it was correct) if your have a DUI check point you should only be checking for DUI. so this cop (either by moral obligation or laziness or just being nice) did the right thing. you were not DUI so have a nice night be on your way. Its actually shown that DUI check points make DUI's WORSE. you see they keep lowering the DUI % limit so low that DUI's CAN DRIVE and not be caught. IE you can not tell they are over the limit. SO you make a check point so if you smell alcohol you get a breath test (the only way to tell with .08 for the most part) the problem is your now devoting officers to a checkpoint instead of out CATCHING the really dangerous .14 killing people who got a call or text telling them avoid the check point. very few DUI's actually result from checkpoints but they sure make a lot of revenue impounding cars and writing tickets. WHICH is the purpose of the checkpoint but they won't say that publicly. which is why they are illegal. |
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| Horn | Jan 20 2011, 12:16 PM Post #52 |
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so lets say a group of police had a dui check point planned. They go along and grab a few people for blowing over .08. now lets rewind and the cops don't have the check point. That same night they don't catch anyone individually, so does that make DUI's worse? Honestly I really don't care if they have check points or not because I dont drink and drive and if you get busted doing something illegal its your fault. |
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| nerys | Jan 20 2011, 01:50 PM Post #53 |
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Grr
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No the problem is the check points are illegal searchs. ONE of the reasons explicitly that the founders worded the 4th amendment the way they did was to make what was VERY common at the time. Dragnets. where police forces would issue "general warrants" to search anywhere for anything they want in a given area. SO while the police are sitting their at a check point raking up revenue and not catching many DUI's and in fact not catching many DANGEROUS DUI's the .14 etc.. the ones who KILL PEOPLE are NOT caught becuase the police that would normally catch them are busy at the illegal check point? this is shown in California. HIGH intoxication accidents went up with the deployment of "checkpoints" but REVENUE for other minor infractions and seizures and impounds sky rocketed. so the "point" of the dui checkpoint was not to stop DUI but to raise revenue. Your reasoning horn is the WORST possible answer a free man can give. your reasoning is HOW tyranny forms. it is EXACTLY the mentality you expressed that countries like this vanish. Well here is how I answer the "if you have nothing to hide why should you care" my answer is if I have nothing to hide why do you need to check? what happens when what your doing which is legal today is NOT legal in the future? you forget "YOU" do not get to decide any longer what is and is not illegal. there are VAST quantities of laws you violate every day and don't even know it. laws with no "intent" statutory offenses. Today you no longer need to be a "criminal" to come afoul of the law. could be as simple as you forgot your insurance card. your insured but you forgot it. (or in my case I swapped them I put the van card in the metro and the metro card in the van) same policy and all but wrong card. Was I guilty? no of course not though technically I was. technically I am a criminal. not for being without insurance but for not "producing" the proper paper on demand regardless if whether I actually had insurance or not. papers Please as the rifle is slung over the shoulder. sound familiar? Did I win in court? you might thing so the offense is $154. of course they dismissed it once I showed my "papers please" but not before I lost a days work (thats $120 minimum) wasted the gas to drive their (another $8) and tolls $2 OH and the $33 court costs. you pay that innocent or guilty does not matter. What if you lost your license. Your mugged walking to your car 2300 at night. you get pulled over No license. your a criminal. you broke the law. you should have left your car their and took a cab. $33 court costs. Crimes without intent. If you OTHERWISE do nothing wrong under the law this will never be an issue. but with warrant less stops and warrant less checkpoints these all become $33 court cost revenue streams. One time they stopped me at a check point. why? they had a spotter checking "tail lights" my one tail light on the trailer was out. empty 40" trailer all the car's light were fine and it was day time (someone ran into me early in the day I did not notice that the impact took out a light) thankfully in this case the second cop who goes around writing the tickets for those "pulled over" at the checkpoint took one look at me said you the one with the trailer light? yes sir? he said get out of here and just look disgusted that the morons at the checkpoint told me to stop and wait for a ticket. I got lucky. cop with a brain and some morals was on checkpoint duty. all these things are crimes without intent and this is what checkpoints are DESIGNED FOR. to slurp up revenue. There is a common phrase police and judges love to throw around and I slap it right back into their faces when they use it. Ignorance is no excuse for the law. My reply is "that assumes the law is common sense otherwise ignorance is the ONLY valid excuse for the law" back in the day the LAW was common sense. you did not NEED to know the law. the law was DUH obvious. Don't steal. Don't Cheat. Don't rip people off. Don't deceive them Don't Trespass Don't kill etc.. etc.. You don't even need to KNOW these things are illegal to know they are WRONG. what happens when the law is no longer "obvious" when its no longer common sense when its "statutory" they the phrase ignorance is no excuse for the law no longer applies. its no longer valid. and THIS is why dragnets are illegal. this is why they wrote the 4th amendment the way they did. if you read the original documents around the creation of the constitution etc.. "dragnets" are specifically brought up. a check point is by definition (and I don't care what the courts say) a constitutionally illegal dragnet. Edited by nerys, Jan 20 2011, 01:54 PM.
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| Horn | Jan 20 2011, 02:02 PM Post #54 |
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Nerys you just ramble on and on. You really think I'm gonna read your whole post? KISS: Keep it simple stupid. "Well here is how I answer the "if you have nothing to hide why should you care" First off, I never said it like that so I don't know who you are quoting. Second, it wasn't a question so no answer is needed. Third, The statement was about myself, not others. Forth, Its people with your know it all attitude that never accomplishes anything. You have an answer for everything....everything. Even things that aren't requiring an answer. |
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| Coche Blanco | Jan 20 2011, 02:28 PM Post #55 |
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If a cop is going to give you a ticket, he's going to give you a ticket. If he isn't going to give you a ticket, and you are a douchebag, he may give you a ticket. |
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| Horn | Jan 20 2011, 02:31 PM Post #56 |
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hahaha :gp. very true. I would do the same if I was a cop though. It always entertains me when a person is pulled over and being a douche to a cop. Many times the cop hasn't even started writing a ticket yet. |
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| nerys | Jan 20 2011, 02:32 PM Post #57 |
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Grr
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"Honestly I really don't care if they have check points or not because I dont drink and drive" is the same exact thing as stating. If you have done nothing wrong why do you care if they check. saying 2+2 is effectively the same thing as saying 4 even though they are nothing alike they MEAN the same thing in this context. people who THINK like you do "Honestly I really don't care if they have check points or not because I don't drink and drive" are WHY we are in this crap pile to begin with. I then proceeded to explain it. to simplify it. to show how it can and IS abused and how you eventually WILL fall foul of it. Your laziness in not wanting to read it or simple not caring to read it is not my problem but the result of it IS my problem since I am forced to live in this society and have to suffer the consequences. If you don't want to read it fine. just don't come whining to me when TSHTS and YOU get caught up in the crap. I will just say "I told you so" but you just replied "Honestly I really don't care if they have check points or not because I dont drink and drive" |
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| nerys | Jan 20 2011, 02:35 PM Post #58 |
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Grr
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well if you actually DID do something wrong the smart move is to just shut up. if you did nothing wrong then you fight and you fight hard STARTING with the cop NOT waiting till court at which time its largely too late. I am not saying be a douchebag but I am certainly not going to be "nice" if he is violating the law. the POLICE are the criminals in this case. NOT US. |
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| Horn | Jan 20 2011, 02:44 PM Post #59 |
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See nerys you've gotta be a know it all. You are comparing to statements that have nothing to do with each other. I am only talking about drinking and driving and my own opinion of going through a check point. You are making it more broad. My main statement is if you aren't drinking you won't get a dui. I understand why people don't like check points. |
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| Horn | Jan 20 2011, 02:47 PM Post #60 |
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whether you do something or not just shut up. Thats all you have to do. If you didn't do anything and get pulled over, don't argue and get a ticket. Even if the cop is wrong it will still cost you. What you do is play the game, be real nice and don't get a ticket. Then talk to someone that is above that person and file some type of complaint. |
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