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Joe Paterno
Topic Started: Jan 22 2012, 07:30 PM (1,970 Views)
Cobrajet25
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Way
Jan 24 2012, 03:48 AM
Cobrajet25
Jan 24 2012, 02:37 AM
Like I said, nobody is perfect.
If it happened to your kid that would sound as lame to you as it does to me.

Firing Paterno was a good step in the right direction. Too bad the right steps weren't taken years earlier.


Wow...calling me "lame" is much more insightful than actually engaging my argument on it's merits. :shit

Had Paterno witnessed the acts in progress himself, I might be inclined to agree with you. But he got a report from somebody who said they thought they saw something. He passed it up to the administration...people who are actually charged with handling this sort of thing. Had Paterno done nothing, I might be inclined to agree with you. But I guarantee you that Paterno's report on this was sitting on some Penn State bureaucrat's desk when this story broke.

The misinformation on this incident is rampant. I heard people shortly after this all came out who thought that it was PATERNO who did the molesting! Such was the effect of firing Paterno...it made people believe he had a much bigger part in this, for good or bad, than he actually did. Should an 80-year-old football coach have been the one to sound the trumpets and lead the charge? Maybe. But there were many, many other people at Penn who were SUPPOSED TO SOUND THE TRUMPETS AND LEAD THE CHARGE. And they, if you will excuse the expression, are the ones who dropped the ball.

Paterno was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Had he reacted the way you would have wanted him to (from your parental armchair) he opened Penn State up to lawsuits from Sandusky. Sandusky was an alumnus at Penn State, and no longer under Paterno's direct supervision or authority. As an alumnus, he had the use of all Penn State facilities. He was using those facilities to run a camp, which is how the boys got there in the first place. Sandusky had nothing to do with Joe Paterno or the Penn State football program when this was going on. If anyone should be in hell, it should be Sandusky. But in discussing this matter you almost never hear his name even mentioned. And that's amazing.

Your reflexive "hang 'em all" righteousness would have fit right in in Salem, Massachusetts...circa 1692. And that sounds very lame to me.

Do me a favor and never become a judge, okay? :thumb

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Jan 24 2012, 04:22 AM


Paterno was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Had he reacted the way you would have wanted him to (from your parental armchair) he opened Penn State up to lawsuits from Sandusky. Sandusky had nothing to do with Joe Paterno or the Penn State football program when this was going on. If anyone should be in hell, it should be Sandusky. But in discussing this matter you almost never hear his name even mentioned. [u



......thats what is ridiculois. He joepa and penn were more scared of losing a small lawsuit even though they would have done the right thing. Iirc the rape was going on when sandusky was the #2 guy. He was suppose to take over for joepa but they found out.

Guys its not like this happened last week. It had been going on for 10 or 15 years.....this was a big cover up. yes cobrajet many ppl screwed up. Worse than joe. But dont act like its a shame he got fired. Young kids were molested and we are suppose to feel sorry for joe who knew about it? Give me a break
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Jan 24 2012, 08:34 AM
Cobrajet25
Jan 24 2012, 04:22 AM


Paterno was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Had he reacted the way you would have wanted him to (from your parental armchair) he opened Penn State up to lawsuits from Sandusky. Sandusky had nothing to do with Joe Paterno or the Penn State football program when this was going on. If anyone should be in hell, it should be Sandusky. But in discussing this matter you almost never hear his name even mentioned. [u



......thats what is ridiculois. He joepa and penn were more scared of losing a small lawsuit even though they would have done the right thing. Iirc the rape was going on when sandusky was the #2 guy. He was suppose to take over for joepa but they found out.

Guys its not like this happened last week. It had been going on for 10 or 15 years.....this was a big cover up. yes cobrajet many ppl screwed up. Worse than joe. But dont act like its a shame he got fired. Young kids were molested and we are suppose to feel sorry for joe who knew about it? Give me a break
It was terrible what happened. I am just saying that Paterno was made to be the fall guy for the failings of a LOT of people. And that sucks because it means the rest of the Penn administration will be able to bury this incident (and their own negligence and indifference) in Paterno's grave.
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Agree with u there cobrajet....othere than paterno and sandusky? Who had any fallout?
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You can beat a dead horse all day but time to put this to bed. IMHO
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I will not comment about the man or this situation but will only offer my perceptions of scripture.

Romans chapter 3 verse 23 (for all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God)

Just one sin (considered great or small in the eyes of man and considered a sin in the eyes of God) commited from any person is enough to seperate you from Holy God.

Mathew chapter 7 (Judge not lest you be judged for the same measure of judgment you use will be measure unto you.)

Most importantly, this is the message of the bible. Every single person is a sinner because ever single person has commited sin against a Holy God. The good news is,

John chapter 3 verse 16 (For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, Jesus Christ that whosoever shall believeth in him will not perish but have ever lasting life)

I tell you the truth, the most vial sinner you have ever known (in the eyes of man) thru Gods son Jesus Christ can be forgiven of his sins and miss hell and spend eternity in Gods presence. Being forgiven by God of your sins is only based on whether you have accepted Gods provision of forgiveness of your sins by believing upon Jesus Christ who paid the price for the sins of every person who will believe on him for forgiveness. I tell you the truth, this is the message of the bible. According to the bible there is only one way to be forgiven of sins and that is by your faith being placed only on Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of those sins. There is no other way. Many people recieve this, in many ways. Many believe it, many reject it. Never the less it is the truth and the message God has given us in the Holy Bible. This is all I will say in this thread.
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Cobrajet25
Jan 24 2012, 04:22 AM
Way
Jan 24 2012, 03:48 AM
Cobrajet25
Jan 24 2012, 02:37 AM
Like I said, nobody is perfect.
If it happened to your kid that would sound as lame to you as it does to me.

Firing Paterno was a good step in the right direction. Too bad the right steps weren't taken years earlier.


Wow...calling me "lame" is much more insightful than actually engaging my argument on it's merits. :shit

Had Paterno witnessed the acts in progress himself, I might be inclined to agree with you. But he got a report from somebody who said they thought they saw something. He passed it up to the administration...people who are actually charged with handling this sort of thing. Had Paterno done nothing, I might be inclined to agree with you. But I guarantee you that Paterno's report on this was sitting on some Penn State bureaucrat's desk when this story broke.

The misinformation on this incident is rampant. I heard people shortly after this all came out who thought that it was PATERNO who did the molesting! Such was the effect of firing Paterno...it made people believe he had a much bigger part in this, for good or bad, than he actually did. Should an 80-year-old football coach have been the one to sound the trumpets and lead the charge? Maybe. But there were many, many other people at Penn who were SUPPOSED TO SOUND THE TRUMPETS AND LEAD THE CHARGE. And they, if you will excuse the expression, are the ones who dropped the ball.

Paterno was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Had he reacted the way you would have wanted him to (from your parental armchair) he opened Penn State up to lawsuits from Sandusky. Sandusky was an alumnus at Penn State, and no longer under Paterno's direct supervision or authority. As an alumnus, he had the use of all Penn State facilities. He was using those facilities to run a camp, which is how the boys got there in the first place. Sandusky had nothing to do with Joe Paterno or the Penn State football program when this was going on. If anyone should be in hell, it should be Sandusky. But in discussing this matter you almost never hear his name even mentioned. And that's amazing.

Your reflexive "hang 'em all" righteousness would have fit right in in Salem, Massachusetts...circa 1692. And that sounds very lame to me.

Do me a favor and never become a judge, okay? :thumb

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Now, that's not a nice personalization of my categorization. Show me where I called you lame. I said, I'll repeat it slowly this time, that your "nobody is perfect" justification is lame.

Produce the evidence you have that Paterno actually wrote a report. He made some phone calls.

Here's another opinion:

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Pennsylvania state police Commissioner Frank Noonan opined that while Paterno was not in any legal difficulty, "somebody has to question about what I would consider the moral requirements for a human being that knows of sexual things that are taking place with a child. I think you have the moral responsibility, anyone. Not whether you're a football coach or a university president or the guy sweeping the building. I think you have a moral responsibility to call us


Paterno passed it up to the administration? HE was the one who could make things happen or not. There is no value judgment involved here. There was a reported case of sexual abuse here: it's not the administration who is charged with "handling this sort of thing" that's the job of the police. Period. They are the ones who determine whether a crime occurred not any college administration. It's absolutely ludicrous that the police were not called, most especially by McQueary but definitely the 85 year old Paterno should have called. He after all, was the HEAD coach.. ie the guy in charge of the program. HE IS THE ONE WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO LEAD THE CHARGE. That is reflected in the fact that McQueary went to him first as I stated earlier. There are no "maybe's" here. And yes there are others who were fired also and hopefully others will be too as the evidence comes to light.

Paterno was not damned if he did. Sandusky had been accused before. As Johnny so aptly pointed out, that DA apparently is nowhere to be found. I agree with you about Sandusky but there is no way in hell Sandusky would have brought attention to this by suing Paterno. Common sense should inform of that. Sandusky would not have fought this if Paterno had acted to ban him. Sandusky would have just moved elsewhere. This "predicament" would not have even been a consideration had the police been called in the first place.

Cobrajet25
 
Your reflexive "hang 'em all" righteousness would have fit right in in Salem, Massachusetts...circa 1692. And that sounds very lame to me.


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For your info there, mr. scholar person, this is not based on whether or not someone was casting spells but rather on grand jury testimony.

I may very well become a judge. Ya never know where my education could take me. :cheers

But do me a favor: Please, never become a witness.
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It is too bad someone died. It is too bad people were hurt mentally and physically. It is ok for you all to not share the same point of view, but this thread is going :backpack to LOCKEYVILLE :locked
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