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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 1 2012, 10:25 PM (2,953 Views) | |
| HelterSkelter | Mar 2 2012, 03:50 PM Post #16 |
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yes too bad no one will vote for him because the media doesn't give him the same attention it gives the other loser candidates and there is the widespread mentality that third party candidates are all a joke.
i doubt the tata will make it to america. the car has just under 40 hp and weighs 1400 pounds. add the extra 3 or so hundred pounds of "safety" crap and you will have a car that's not strong enough to move. |
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| TimmyD | Mar 2 2012, 04:16 PM Post #17 |
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THose freakin' SMART cars are smaller then the Metros & they are allowed on the roads... ...and those things look like they would not survive a mild fender-bender. |
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| ascensions | Mar 2 2012, 05:13 PM Post #18 |
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Size doesn't matter, it's how it absorbs the impact. Late model Geo's were 4 star safety rated, thus very safe... but Smarts are 5 stars. Technology is a wonderful thing. |
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| Jonathan6229 | Mar 2 2012, 06:08 PM Post #19 |
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| wildhair | Mar 2 2012, 08:11 PM Post #20 |
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I was just wondering why the metro was discontinued. I was also interested if there were any new substitutes on the market. I agree the trend toward SUV and big diesel pickups probably had alot to do with the demise of many gas sippers. The race for more HP vs MPG that has played out over the past 10 years or so got us all hooked.  I mean really upwards of 40,000 for a truck???  How much HP and torque do we really need. I think there were more than a few of us left in the dust. I must admit I have a big truck too, but I also own a little geo metro.  I am impressed there are a few 40+mpg cars out there and was just wondering if anyone owns a newer 40+ car they would recomend to others. The ford fiesta looks like a good canidate---40mpg, 4 doors, hatch The Hyundai Veloster also looks good---40mpg, 2 door, hatch Not whining just curious as to what happened to the geo metro we all love. Lets face it once hooked on MPG its hard not to drool over the new 40+ cars that also have HP. No disrespect to anyone just wondering.  |
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| allmountain40 | Mar 2 2012, 08:24 PM Post #21 |
 
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The smart car, while tiny, gets relatively terrible mileage as a direct result of its 5-star safety rating, which is why you will never see the likes of the original metro again, AKA; small, light, simple, fuel efficient AND cheep. You will see small fuel efficient cars, but they will be neither cheep nor simple. The later metros did have much better safety ratings, but they suffered in the mileage department compared to the originals due to the safety improvements. |
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| nerys | Mar 2 2012, 08:24 PM Post #22 |
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Well the reasons are actually pretty simple. Profit is the answer to all of them. Metro's are cheap. this is bad if you want profit Metro's are easy to fix. this is bad if you want profit Metro's are Dirt Simple. this is bad if you want profit Metro's get good fuel economy. this is bad if you want profit. Oddly enough Government Meddling is the reason we "GOT" Metro's. it was the REMOVAL of said government meddling that got rid of metro's The "weight and safety" reasoning is a straw man argument it has no validity at all this can actually be proven rather simply. What is the newest greatest super sub compact car we just heard of.? Chevy Sonic anyone? super small super high tech. 5speed 35mpg 6 Speed 40mpg comes out later this year. 1.2L 4cyl engine. Now lets look at a much older car. I did searches for random cars and a name popped into my head. Toyota Camry. one of the most common prolific cars in the world. the oldest one I could find was 1987 it was a 5spd 4cyl 2.0L engine. it was a MUCH larger and far less aerodynamic car. 43mpg Wait wait. the sonic is heavier all the new safety equipment. 2013 Chevy Sonic 2800 pounds 1987 Toyota Camry 2700 pounds. OK mass is NOT the reason. in my book this is pretty clear. they are INTENTIONALLY detuning these cars for "just enough" fuel economy. how else can you REDUCE the engine from 2.0L to 1.2L increase the tranny to a 6spd SHRINK the car by a lot increase the AERO by a lot "AND" add 25 years of technological advancement and end up 3mpg WORSE than before? How does that work exactly? NOW mind you MPG's are meaningless "in the bigger picture" you drive a 50mpg Metro. Does that save you money? NO. what saves you money is NOT that you drive a 50mpg METRO. its that no one else DOES. you are "outside" the curve and "THIS" is what saves you money. give everyone else 50mpg cars and take a guess what happens to fuel prices? doubles over night "guaranteed" without question. Gas companies would have no choice since we would be buying 50% less fuel to maintain existing revenue they would have to DOUBLE the price of fuel. If for some reason I had to buy a brand new car I would have only one choice. Nissan Leaf. its by far the cheapest car on the market today by over $13,000 and that includes electricity. |
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| nerys | Mar 2 2012, 08:26 PM Post #23 |
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5 star crash ratings have NOTHING to do with the smart's horrible fuel economy. Smart 4/2 second generation (the current one you can buy) 1609 pounds. How much does your geo weigh again? Edited by nerys, Mar 2 2012, 08:27 PM.
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| nerys | Mar 2 2012, 08:32 PM Post #24 |
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if you can take advantage of the tax credit AND 80-100 miles is honestly enough range for you per day or per trip outlet to outlet (for example I can plug in at work) then the cheapest car you can buy today is you drive a LOT of miles is the Nissan Leaf. if you do the math of TRC for the next 10 years its cheaper than any other brand new car on the road by well over $10,000 if you do NOT drive many miles it might not be or if you really do need more than 100 miles very often then your cheapest bet is to buy "last years model" brand new Hyundai Elantra or Ford Fiesta. either one "should" be purchasable for around $10,000 with a TRC of around $50,000 to $60,000 IF I remember correctly (see my other post) the TRC on the Leaf is around $43,500 |
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| Horn | Mar 2 2012, 08:56 PM Post #25 |
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What about the mitsbitchy i...or eye. I think they r better than the leaf |
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| jousting jay | Mar 2 2012, 10:07 PM Post #26 |
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Ron Paul has my vote, and I will try and grab a delegate spot for him in California too. But to get back on topic here, watch the documentary called "Who killed the electric car" it's mostly about the the Volt, but really focuses on why Americans went to big SUV's instead of practical high MPG cars like our Metros |
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| nerys | Mar 2 2012, 11:41 PM Post #27 |
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ahh interesting the MiEV $22k after tax benifits (depends if you qualify for them) if that price is accurate then YES that would be cheaper by about $3000 spread over 5 years. I would probably rather have the longer range of the leaf (the MiEV is rated for 62miles) which would be "pushing it" for my 54mile commute especially when I needed heat in the winter. I however am NOT impressed by the 100,000 mile warranty on the battery. for me that means the battery is only warrantied for 3 years. Hmm leaf battery warrant no better :-( Edited by nerys, Mar 2 2012, 11:58 PM.
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| HelterSkelter | Mar 3 2012, 12:01 AM Post #28 |
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those cars actually have steel cages built into them. i have seen a video of one hitting a solid wall going 80 and it just barely smooshes in the the front and then bounces off. they are hella safe. |
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| Coche Blanco | Mar 3 2012, 12:43 AM Post #29 |
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Please link me to the 2.0L Camry with 43 mpg. |
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| Coche Blanco | Mar 3 2012, 12:44 AM Post #30 |
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There's a problem with no crumple zones... |
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