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Why cant I buy a new metro
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 1 2012, 10:25 PM (2,951 Views)
ZXTjato	Mar 3 2012, 09:23 PM Post #46
bass heads Posts: 4,869 Group: Valued Members Member #8,343 Joined: Feb 8, 2012 Location The Desert Year/Make/Model red 1992 3/5 2 door, blue 1992 3/5 4 door, white 1989 4/5 GTi	well about the big cars and safty. things wouldnt need to be stronger if all cars were simmilar in weight right? or what about ppl like me who really dont care about safe cars? and what about ppl like me who hate when a computer tells my car what to do. i am veary against new cars plastic houseings from hell and all this computer controlled stuff.



bogs	Mar 4 2012, 12:53 AM Post #47
Duct tape heals all wounds Posts: 9,403 Group: Valued Members Member #1,286 Joined: Oct 5, 2009 Location Possum Lodge Year/Make/Model 1996 Metro Sedan / 4 cylinder / 5 speed	nerys Mar 3 2012, 08:05 PM I singled you out bogs because you said it I'll remember that next time we have a discussion <saving this one to bookmark>.



geojojo	Mar 4 2012, 02:57 AM Post #48
Posts: 287 Group: Valued Members Member #4,152 Joined: Jan 17, 2011 Location newport news, virginia Year/Make/Model 1994 geo metro 1.0 hatchback, 1995 geo metro sedan 1.3	The current smart car also requires premium gas, just thought I'd put that out there, so even if a smart car got better gas mileage, it would still cost the same or more to drive, would it not? Just thought I'd put that out there.



nerys	Mar 4 2012, 04:50 AM Post #49
Grr Posts: 8,581 Group: Valued Members Member #1,240 Joined: Sep 25, 2009 Location Levittown PA USA Year/Make/Model 1994 Geo Metro Xfi	AHH thats right it was the SPARK not the SONIC :-) phewww at least I am not going nuts. I found the sonic page and was like this is NOT the page I was reading. and as correctly assumed the spark is no where to be found on that website (mpgfacts.com) I Never tried to look up "other" new cars. the smart car is worse because not only does it need premium but it gets WORSE fuel economy. Interestingly I can not find the smart 4/2 on mpgfacts.com anyone have any luck finding it (I checked 2011 and 2012) wanted to see what its unadjusted values are. Edited by nerys, Mar 4 2012, 04:54 AM.



nerys	Mar 4 2012, 04:55 AM Post #50
Grr Posts: 8,581 Group: Valued Members Member #1,240 Joined: Sep 25, 2009 Location Levittown PA USA Year/Make/Model 1994 Geo Metro Xfi	bogs Mar 4 2012, 12:53 AM nerys Mar 3 2012, 08:05 PM I singled you out bogs because you said it I'll remember that next time we have a discussion <saving this one to bookmark>. Not sure why your replying like that bogs. YOU made a comment I replied to your comment. then you strangely asked why I singled you out? well because I was replying "TO YOU" of course ???



Woodie	Mar 4 2012, 05:05 AM Post #51
Posts: 13,853 Group: Tech Certified Member #471 Joined: Feb 13, 2009 Location College Park, MD Year/Make/Model 1991 Pontiac Firefly Turbo 2010 Kizashi GTS	nerys Mar 3 2012, 05:03 PM my point is we are not talking about a thousand pound difference here. I noticed no one posted the MASS of their metro's I believe mine is 1642 pounds and its an XFI I might as well go check that one moment. if you cared to check its 1808 pounds. WOW what do you know same as your smart 4/2 values so care to elaborate on how impact beams safety equipment and airbags mean SQUAT at the same mass? http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/1995-to-2001-geo-chevrolet-metro-8.htm Once again, get your facts straight before using them in an argument, one would think that would be easy with the Internet right here where the discussion is going on, perhaps it's intentional. GEN2 Metros started out at 1616 lbs, GEN3 Metros started at 1808. I pointed that out very clearly, but you choose to quote the Europe only lighter Smart car and the later, redesigned heavier Metro. And you've got the Spark, the Sonic, and the Cruze all muddled up, three cars in completely different classes.



nerys	Mar 4 2012, 01:57 PM Post #52
Grr Posts: 8,581 Group: Valued Members Member #1,240 Joined: Sep 25, 2009 Location Levittown PA USA Year/Make/Model 1994 Geo Metro Xfi	I don't have the spark sonic and cruze muddled up YOU GUYS DO. I compared the spark with the camry. YOU GUYS added in the cruze and sonic so woodie GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT. and I was correct there is no OTHER MPG data on the spark. I compared what wikipedia told me the smart weights and YES I compared the LATEST hatchback metro for mass. you got a problem with that? if you really think 100-200 pounds matters you have a lot to learn about physics and reality. sounds like you have a lot of straightening up to do. Get back to me once you got it all cleared up.



lelio	Mar 4 2012, 03:37 PM Post #53
Lelio Posts: 283 Group: Valued Members Member #8,563 Joined: Feb 26, 2012 Location murfreesboro TN	like a few already said its the goverment . the new cars have such large egr systems i doubt you can do what the old 1.0 did .



Woodie	Mar 4 2012, 04:46 PM Post #54
Posts: 13,853 Group: Tech Certified Member #471 Joined: Feb 13, 2009 Location College Park, MD Year/Make/Model 1991 Pontiac Firefly Turbo 2010 Kizashi GTS	nerys Mar 4 2012, 01:57 PM if you really think 100-200 pounds matters you have a lot to learn about physics and reality. Once again, I'm going to say this AGAIN, then no more. It's the EXACT same difference as between the GEN2 and GEN3 Metros, and that had a HUGE impact on mileage. Every argument you get into on here ends up the same with you picking "facts" from completely disparate criteria in order to try to make your failing point. Comparing old EPA #'s to new EPA #'s is not fair play, you know it and yet you continue to do it. Comparing the European Smart car's weight (200 low) to the GEN3 Metro's weight (200 high) when the discussion was clearly about a GEN2 Metro is simply dishonest.



mjspiess	Mar 4 2012, 09:23 PM Post #55
Posts: 3,092 Group: Valued Members Member #575 Joined: Mar 15, 2009 Location Lansing, MI 48911 Year/Make/Model '95 Geo Metro XFi	Quote: I compared the spark with the camry. No you didn't. Here are your exact words. How can you forget so easily? Quote: Chevy Sonic anyone? super small super high tech. Quote: Wait wait. the sonic is heavier all the new safety equipment. Quote: 2013 Chevy Sonic 2800 pounds 1987 Toyota Camry 2700 pounds. You are so confused with your misinformation, you should just quit while you're behind.



nerys	Mar 4 2012, 10:25 PM Post #56
Grr Posts: 8,581 Group: Valued Members Member #1,240 Joined: Sep 25, 2009 Location Levittown PA USA Year/Make/Model 1994 Geo Metro Xfi	in the ORIGINAL THREAD where we started this discussion I said SPARK. at some point for some reason unknown it got changed to sonic. NO idea why. but goto my original thread and look at the link its SPARK. I stand by what I said. Period. I use OLD epa numbers because THEY ARE THE RESULTS I GET MY car came with a sticker on the window that said 53 city 58 highway. I GET THAT OR BETTER those are the numbers I will use. MY JEEP gets BETTER than OLD EPA on E0 so I use old EPA My Clubwagon gets BETTER than OLD EPA on E0 so I use old EPA I have no problem comparing UNADJUSTED NUMBERS (old epa) If you DO NOT get EPA Official numbers then DON"T USE EPA official numbers Here is what MPG FACTS gives (this is 94 xfi) EPA Official Highway MPG: 58 (I GET THIS OR BETTER for COMBINED) Highway MPG (2008 computation method): 51 (The only time I get this is DEAD WINTER and only on E10 on E10 I get 55-56 in the winter ) Highway MPG (before adjustments): 75 (I get this pure highway) I use the PRE 2008 computational method because it JIVES WITH REALITY. if the post 2008 method JIVES with your reality then USE THEM. what about the chevy CRUZE ECO (I can't find the sonic???) and there is no data for the SPARK yet except what CHEVY listed. EPA Official Highway MPG: 39 Highway MPG (before adjustments): 55.20 they don't list PRE 2008. so I can only use what they list until REALITY shows otherwise. I use the OFFICIAL EPA value of 43mpg for the toyota camry BECAUSE THATS WHAT I WOULD GET or better. Edited by nerys, Mar 4 2012, 10:35 PM.



Coche Blanco	Mar 4 2012, 11:14 PM Post #57
Troll Certified Posts: 21,983 Group: Valued Members Member #982 Joined: Jul 15, 2009 Location North Alabama Year/Make/Model 1993 3/5	Coche Blanco Mar 3 2012, 06:23 PM nerys Mar 3 2012, 05:03 PM if that data holds I stand corrected on that. a 17mpg improvement is VERY good. its too bad it comes at such a hefty price. We're making progress Nerys. baby steps. We were doing so good Nerys. :/



clarkdw	Mar 4 2012, 11:57 PM Post #58
Posts: 4,330 Group: Tech Certified Member #6,072 Joined: Jul 5, 2011 Location Canada	Did you steal RK's keyboard?



bogs	Mar 5 2012, 02:24 AM Post #59
Duct tape heals all wounds Posts: 9,403 Group: Valued Members Member #1,286 Joined: Oct 5, 2009 Location Possum Lodge Year/Make/Model 1996 Metro Sedan / 4 cylinder / 5 speed	nerys Mar 4 2012, 10:25 PM in the ORIGINAL THREAD where we started this discussion I said SPARK. at some point for some reason unknown it got changed to sonic. NO idea why. but goto my original thread and look at the link its SPARK. I stand by what I said. Period. I use OLD epa numbers because THEY ARE THE RESULTS I GET MY car came with a sticker on the window that said 53 city 58 highway. I GET THAT OR BETTER Ok I think Nerys is broken guys, let him cool off for a few days before you play with him some more



iBLKBRY	Mar 5 2012, 05:29 AM Post #60
Posts: 281 Group: Valued Members Member #7,947 Joined: Jan 5, 2012 Location Granite Falls, WA Year/Make/Model Current '96 Base 2dr., Been there-'93 Vert, '92 xfi	wildhair Mar 1 2012, 10:25 PM I was wondering with all the interest in better fuel economy and hybrids why arent the geo metros sold in the US. Seems like the car manufacturers are trying to reinvent the wheel. My car is about 20 years old and gets 40-50mpg. The new hybrids are getting close to that in town but wont on the highway, and cost 15,000 more than a comparable traditional car. Thats alot of cash and would buy 3,750 gallons of gas @ 4 dollars a gallon. It dosent make alot of sense to me why the geo metro isnt sold. Are they unsafe in some way ? Subaru builds other cars that are sold in the US why not the metro? The intent of the manufacturer's and our government is NOT to produce a fuel efficient car. The primary intent is to generate revenue. This is why the Metro was removed from the market years before the electric vehicles became more known. The electrics would not stand a chance competing with the Metro. Since the manufacturer that made, or promoted the Metro created the Volt... they would be shooting themselves in the foot having the two compete with each other, especially since the price of the Metro would be far far less today.



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