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Fixed my intermittent clicky starter problem; symtoms similar to bad starter or starter solinoid
Topic Started: Mar 12 2012, 03:29 PM (8,409 Views)
Woodie
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solerpower
Jan 30 2015, 11:44 PM
No difference with relay in. It is not solid state relay, but the voltage and amperage to the secondary solenoid power is as good as it's going to get. It still starts with taps to solenoid. I'll clean it an go from there. It could be D.O.A. for the solenoid.
That was my experience. It was either the solenoid or the brushes in the starter motor. I didn't care as they both come as a set. If it goes CLICK, then the triggering wiring is doing it's job.


Edited by Woodie, Jan 31 2015, 07:09 AM.
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Woodie
Jan 31 2015, 07:08 AM
solerpower
Jan 30 2015, 11:44 PM
No difference with relay in. It is not solid state relay, but the voltage and amperage to the secondary solenoid power is as good as it's going to get. It still starts with taps to solenoid. I'll clean it an go from there. It could be D.O.A. for the solenoid.
That was my experience. It was either the solenoid or the brushes in the starter motor. I didn't care as they both come as a set. If it goes CLICK, then the triggering wiring is doing it's job.


Woodie, it is my next goal to convince you that the relay is a valid fix and that the click from the starter is not enough to declare the "triggering wiring is doing it's job".

See here for the full explanation;
http://geometroforum.com/topic/5753206/1/#new

It may only take me 3 or 4 years again, but I'm stubborn.
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Woodie
Jan 31 2015, 07:08 AM
solerpower
Jan 30 2015, 11:44 PM
No difference with relay in. It is not solid state relay, but the voltage and amperage to the secondary solenoid power is as good as it's going to get. It still starts with taps to solenoid. I'll clean it an go from there. It could be D.O.A. for the solenoid.
That was my experience. It was either the solenoid or the brushes in the starter motor. I didn't care as they both come as a set. If it goes CLICK, then the triggering wiring is doing it's job.


Where did you get the set from for future reference? I'm thinking brushes as my taps by trial an error are more successful on the starter itself. When mine doesn't work there is no click, nothing audible. I learned something interesting about relays that I didn't know before. There are dozen of the same relays on the same car (I knew this), but I didn't realize how significantly they set up the wire gauge. I ended up switching the leads the connector around to suite my own needs.
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Jan 31 2015, 08:57 PM
Woodie
Jan 31 2015, 07:08 AM
solerpower
Jan 30 2015, 11:44 PM
No difference with relay in. It is not solid state relay, but the voltage and amperage to the secondary solenoid power is as good as it's going to get. It still starts with taps to solenoid. I'll clean it an go from there. It could be D.O.A. for the solenoid.
That was my experience. It was either the solenoid or the brushes in the starter motor. I didn't care as they both come as a set. If it goes CLICK, then the triggering wiring is doing it's job.


Where did you get the set from for future reference? I'm thinking brushes as my taps by trial an error are more successful on the starter itself. When mine doesn't work there is no click, nothing audible. I learned something interesting about relays that I didn't know before. There are dozen of the same relays on the same car (I knew this), but I didn't realize how significantly they set up the wire gauge. I ended up switching the leads the connector around to suite my own needs.
I think (it is possible I am wrong) that what he is saying is that when he buys a new starter it comes with a new solenoid and new brushes as well as a few other parts.
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Yes, poorly worded by me. I meant the starter and solenoid come as a set. $100 and an hour's labor, whatever the problem was, it went in the trash.

Rock Auto does offer starter motor brushes, but I wouldn't bother with them.
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Feb 1 2015, 05:50 AM
Yes, poorly worded by me. I meant the starter and solenoid come as a set. $100 and an hour's labor, whatever the problem was, it went in the trash.

Rock Auto does offer starter motor brushes, but I wouldn't bother with them.
I took apart both brands of starters. Both of them were seizing because of the brushes. There are four brushes in both of them, different configurations but both had extreme uneven wear on two of the four causing a jam. There not all that hard to take apart and put back together. Both suffered as well from a lot of crap and dirt and build up. With the relay and non seized starter you can really feel the amount of kick when engaged from the added current.
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Frustrating that the I ordered the wrong part from RockAuto for the brushes. I thought that I had the 93 starter, but it is not the same one. I will order the other brushes. I knew the complete drop in assembly for under $10 with no solder was to good to be true. They must make them. It is the same part that I got just a different size.
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Feb 25 2015, 09:48 AM
Frustrating that the I ordered the wrong part from RockAuto for the brushes. I thought that I had the 93 starter, but it is not the same one. I will order the other brushes. I knew the complete drop in assembly for under $10 with no solder was to good to be true. They must make them. It is the same part that I got just a different size.
I realized later on that this was for the Mitsubishi starter and not the denso. The part for $8 works perfectly.. The 92 supplement went through all the test for everything else. This brush set is easy fix ( a little bit of a pain pressing back the springs to slide it on). The starter now works like new.
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