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New guy with a question
Topic Started: Apr 7 2012, 08:19 AM (885 Views)
geodavetj
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Hello Everyone!

My name is Dave, I'm 23 and live in NW Ohio.

I just bought a 93 geo metro with 155k for 550 bucks. Runs and drives great. I bought it to offset the terrible fuel economy my 99 Jeep TJ gets. The previous owner informed me that he had a problem where the output shaft (i think?) has play in it and he has to replace the clutch every 3 years or so. He talked about if I could find someone who can machine a sleeve for this, the problem would be solved? Not being a geo guy or extremely advanced when it comes to transmission components, I was wondering if someobody could steer me in the correct direction as to what this gentleman was talking about and how I can go about fixing it. Not sure if this is a common problem? Thanks a ton!!

btw- heres a pic of the jeep that tends to be a pretty thirsty vehicle. I'll get a pic of my geo up soon.

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idmetro
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Welcome aboard Dave! Not exactly sure what your issue might be, don't think its real common but others will chime in soon. Enjoy your new Metro!

Got any current symptoms? Poor shifting, leaks, etc???
Edited by idmetro, Apr 7 2012, 08:38 AM.
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cnr_dogs
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Welcome to the forum and congrats on the the new Geo.
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geodavetj
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no symptoms. shifts great. the way he described it is that there is a little play in this shaft and it wears out the pilot bearing prematurely. I apologize for not being able to describe the issue that he described to me. He seemed to think that a "sleeve" could be machined and slid over the shaft to correct the bit of play it has in it.

I was on rockauto and I see that they sell an output shaft repair sleeve and an input shaft repair sleeve. I'm wondering if this is what he meant?

Thanks for the welcomes!!
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bogs
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Welcome here :)
I too have never heard of the issue you are describing, but then my car is relatively low mileage and untouched.

Maybe Mr. Murf has (resident tranny guru), or perhaps someone else will chime in who has heard of such.
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kingthursday
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WELCOME
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Hugothegrunt
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Welcome to GMF. :thumb

Sounds like someone was in that Tranny before and forgot a bearing/bushing. I wouldn't try and rig something up like the P.O. mentioned, it might make things worse. Have a Tranny shop look at it ($$$$) or go to the Junk Yard and pull another tranny and use that (not so much $$$) and then learn on here, with the help of others that have the knowledge, how to rebuild the original one and have it as a back up. ;)
Edited by Hugothegrunt, Apr 7 2012, 01:21 PM.
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Freaky_1
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Actually sounds like it "might" be an issue I've not seen in a while outside of tractors. The pilot bushing would grit up or if bearing, would seize, wearing the pilot end of the input shaft to spin and wear down. If not repaired, it would "waller" around in the new gushing and just get worse. The clutch not staying centred would prematurely wear and often come apart.
If this is the case, sleeving would do for large diameter shafts but not so well on or little cars. If this is the case, replace input shaft and input bearing with new clutch kit and pilot when you do anything.
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Old Man


sound Like Freaky has it right on.

I had an old Chevy long time ago that the pilot bushing wore out and the pilot shaft end wore down. Only cure at that time was a new pilot shaft and bushing.

later on everyone went to pilot "bearings" and that pretty well cured the problem, except when people ignored the pilot bearing at rebuild time.
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geodavetj
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thank you much for the replies. I will look into this further. I love the simplicity of this vehicle and the affordable parts!
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Jittney
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Welcome to the forum, geodavetj

The pilot and throwout bearings (both on the input shaft) spin when someone engages the clutch...or when someone rests their foot on the clutch pedal.
Some people drive with their foot on the clutch. ;)
This is overuses the bearings.....and wears them out early.
A clutch kit has a new clutch plate, pressure plate, pilot bearing and throwout bearing.
Most people use the kit and replace all the worn parts.
Some people go the cheap route and replace just the clutch plate.
They run the risk of bearings wearing out and damaging the input shaft.
Wonder if a previous owner had a lazy clutch foot or allowed cheap repairs. :hmm

The input/output sleeves is a more complicated issue (more money and time)

If you get to the point where you will be dropping the transmission to replace the clutch and bearings, post some pictures.
In the meantime, don't rest your foot on the clutch, or your hand on the shifter (also a no-no) :)
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