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| Cam/Crank seals; getting ready to replace these | |
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| HelterSkelter | Jul 31 2012, 01:15 PM Post #46 |
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that was probably me calling. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 31 2012, 03:58 PM Post #47 |
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| 3220onr | Jul 31 2012, 06:32 PM Post #48 |
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I put a 60 amp fuse in and she cranks over now. BUT, will not start. Any suggestions? I re-verified that the timing marks are lined up. What now? Getting frustrated again! Ok, I have been sitting here burning brain cells at a rapid pace. After checking timing marks and pulling #1 plug to make sure she was TDC, I thought screw it...two small shots of carb cleaner and a few pumps of the gas petal and the speedbuggy LIVES! Purrrrs and sounds just like it did before the infamous belt shredding incident two weeks ago. Will finish tomorrow with belts and timing cover, then break out the timing light from years of inactivity. More later.... Edited by 3220onr, Jul 31 2012, 08:45 PM.
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| randyrandy | Jul 31 2012, 10:39 PM Post #49 |
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I am georandy, metrorandy and randyrandy. I had a problem sending pm's so i kept changing names until it worked. PM's now work on both randyrandy and georandy. I think I'll stick with one of them but I am randy. Sorry for the confusion but I had to do what I had to do as I was buying odds and ends and couldn't communicate. Thanks to whoever fixed my pm problems. It was Helter who called you Geo Glenn while I was at his place. Now to the topic in this thread. I did put in a new PCV valve while we were replacing the cam and crank seals because I had read that it was a good thing to do ![]() I did insist that we use the fatter cam seal you sent me, but I bought a couple of backups in case we screwed up the ones you sent me. I think the crank seal is holding fine and it appeared to be the one that was leaking in the first place, so that problem was solved. The new leak I posted last night is either the cam seal and/or ??? I went to a pick-your-part where I have found a 92 vert with an L3 and started getting an education after leaving Helter's today with the leak still persisting. I stripped, cannibalized and studied the top end of that engine. They told me I could have the whole engine for $215. (Maybe less now that I cannibalized it )It is possible that the channel that in the in the #1 cam cap got plugged with RTV....maybe. We took it off, cleaned it up and tried using blue threadlock. Let it dry for about an hour, started it up and it still leaked. That's when I decided to go to the pick-your-part and get a better look at things. From what I am seeing. Could the cam seal be leaking and the oil running behind the black metal plate (part #12, in the exploded diagram in post #37) and manifesting where I pointed to in post #35, on the engine side instead of the timing belt side? The only other things in that area are what look like two freeze plugs, a smaller one above a larger one below it, behind the metal plate on the head. Those wouldn't leak oil though, huh? There is no water in my oil and no oil in my coolant. The head gasket? Can it leak oil out to the place I pointed to, left of and under the #1 spark plug? Anyway, I came home and took off the #1 cam cap again. Cleaned it and used RTV this time everywhere Goe Glenn has the purple anaerobic sealant (because I don't have any) and I put a very thin film of RTV on the top perimeter of the exposed cam seal. I torqued it all down and put the valve cover on. (Helter, all my nuts are black now! A little inside joke. I picked some black valve cover nuts off the 92 vert at the part yard )The plan is to let the RTV (quick dry type) cure for 12 hours before I start it up. If it still leaks. The plan is to replace the cam seal again. The engine runs so good and has such good power that I hate having this leak frustration. I got to get the leak fixed so I can run some of Glenn's alphabet soup in her !More tomorrow. Thanks to everybody for your posts and help. By the way, the 92 vert has some really good interior parts behind the front seats, if anybody needs something out of it. Let me know. Edited by randyrandy, Jul 31 2012, 10:48 PM.
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| Deleted User | Aug 1 2012, 12:41 AM Post #50 |
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Ah, ha! That explains all the Randys. Will the real GeoRandy please stand up? ***** I did talk to Helter Skelter this afternoon. Went over the details of the camshaft seal installation, and it sounds like he's got it done. I have the wider camshaft seal installed on my 4 cylinder. It has never leaked. There is an oil galley plug located under the metal cover next to the head. This may be leaking, although unlikely if the head has never been off the car. It's an allen head socket type plug. If the engine ever had a valve job, and someone forgot to properly seal and install the plug, this could be the source of an oil leak. Also, on the unlikely list of oil leaks, the head gasket could be leaking at the area adjacent to the oil passage from the block to the head. This could be due to the age of the gasket, or high oil pressure due to a stuck oil pressure regulator, or some obstruction in the oil system inside the oil galley in the head. this is unlikely, but still possible. Helter Skelter said that there was not a significant leak in this area prior to the seal installation. So, I suspect something with the installation. If it still leaks, remove the timing cover and the metal backing plate for the timing cover. Reinstall the crankshaft pulley and the drive belts. Run the engine and look to see exactly where the oil leak is, and we'll proceed from there. If all else fails, get a Fel-Pro TCS 45852 for the camshaft, if you don't already have one. This is the same seal I sent you for the crankshaft. Send me back the wider seal, and I'll send you back a few $ on the deal. |
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| randyrandy | Aug 1 2012, 12:21 PM Post #51 |
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Well, it still leaks. Going to remove the timing cover and the metal backing plate (part #12 on the exploded diagram) for the timing cover. Will reinstall the crankshaft pulley and the drive belts, run the engine, and look to see exactly where the oil leak is. Hopefully it is the camshaft seal and that will be the "fix." |
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| 3220onr | Aug 1 2012, 02:18 PM Post #52 |
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Got everything except the timing belt cover on. Forgot that it goes on before the crank pulley does. I'll put it on later, it lets me see if anything is leaking. No water leaks from the new pump instalation, and so far no oil leaks can be seen. Drove around for about 25 min at various speeds and with the A/C going. Water temp never went above what it usually did. Hit the throttle body with a few shots of cleaner before road test and did not want to idle hardly at all. Well, after the road test it seems to idle better. The check engine light was off initially but after refueling I stalled the car on take off(A/C was on) and the check engine light came back on and has stayed on. The still seems to be some blow-by thru the PCV into the TB. Any tricks on how to stop this? |
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| randyrandy | Aug 2 2012, 11:09 PM Post #53 |
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Well, it was the camshaft seal again (second one, in as many days.) O was whinin' and wimperin', asking Geo Glenn about getting an engine from him, but he told me to "Suck it up Grasshopper! Get another camshaft and another Felpro seal and feel the Zen and the art of Geo Metro." No shit! So, I went down to the pick-your-parts lot today and took camshaft out of a 92 3 cyl. vert and headed home for yet another attempt. Grabbed another Felpro seal and tore it down again. Third time's charm? Yes!!! ![]() Helter Skelter kept telling me I could do it. Geo Glenn told me ir I didn't he was going to take away my drivers license. The pressure was on but I remained calm, aside from the fact that I am overly compulsive when mechaniccing and clean everything meticulously (I like clean) and when I fired her up....she didn't leak anymore. Simply amazing. I'm going straighway to get some alphabet soup and put in her now. Thanks Helter Skelter, Geo Glenn and Blue Rhino for your help and support. Hmm, what next? .... I know, front fenders
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| Deleted User | Aug 3 2012, 12:18 AM Post #54 |
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YES! Four pages, Three Randys, two camshaft seals, and another camshaft. Now, go sing the theme from Gilligan's Island for the next week! Fenders?
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| 3220onr | Aug 3 2012, 12:26 AM Post #55 |
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I think I am done here with this thread. unless someone can provide an answer to the blow-by question... |
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