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synthetic blend (50%) a good alternative?
Topic Started: Sep 14 2012, 10:23 AM (1,856 Views)
mwebb
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Scoobs
Sep 15 2012, 10:39 PM
heres what i just topped off with.

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this oil is better than
dexos 1
the ACEA A3 B3 A3 B4 has better deposit control which helps prevent deposits from forming on the backs of the valves and in the piston ring lands ,and the cat converter
and it has better resistance to shear .

there is always a few that reply to these and state that their brand x dogshnit oil has worked well in betzy for a half a zillion miles
maybe so under ideal conditions
maybe not

but
let us be clear
for every engine that still lives on nothing but dogshnit oil
there are hundreds more that have failed catastrophically and are now residing in the scrap yard

engines that have been fed a steady diet of the correct oil do not break
the odds are the other way
hundred s of high mileage engines still in great condition with single digit failures .

feel lucky ?
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iamgeo
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mwebb
 
for every engine that still lives on nothing but dogshnit oil
there are hundreds more that have failed catastrophically and are now residing in the scrap yard

I would like to see absolute proof of this. Not some pie chart that shows the differences in the oil, but proof that using oil other than what you tout is going to damage engines unless we use it in "ideal conditions". Also please explain what those ideal conditions are.
Of course, you are going to come up with some bullshit line about looking it up at bob is the oil guy or something.
Stop with the crap and back up what you state.
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starscream5000
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Got 70 MPG?

iamgeo
Sep 15 2012, 11:48 PM
This is what I use in all my vehicles.

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I just switched to this from their non-synthetic version. :thumb
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Cobb
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Scoobs
Sep 15 2012, 10:39 PM
heres what i just topped off with.

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I thought you told me in a chat room that your rod bearings damage from another engine prevented you from taking a good long pull in 3rd gear to show off your new exhaust on your current car? :banghead

I use mobile 1 or quick sludge 0w20 in the honda and the walmart stuff in the sidekick.
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Scoobs
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Cobb
Sep 18 2012, 11:14 AM
I thought you told me in a chat room that your rod bearings damage from another engine prevented you from taking a good long pull in 3rd gear to show off your new exhaust on your current car? :banghead

No, what i said was i wont do a 3rd gear pull or beat on this new motor, because i seen what my rod bearings in my old engine looked like after months of nothing but beating on my shit. Never said i cant do it, but i wont do it :P
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mwebb
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iamgeo
Sep 18 2012, 09:42 AM
mwebb
 
for every engine that still lives on nothing but dogshnit oil
there are hundreds more that have failed catastrophically and are now residing in the scrap yard

I would like to see absolute proof of this. Not some pie chart that shows the differences in the oil, but proof that using oil other than what you tout is going to damage engines unless we use it in "ideal conditions". Also please explain what those ideal conditions are.
Of course, you are going to come up with some bullshit line about looking it up at bob is the oil guy or something.
Stop with the crap and back up what you state.
quite so
i live it - i see it day in day out

so
since the other s have made claim s without any juice to back them
so can i
with the exception
that this is what i do ,

the other claims .... as true or exaggerated as they may be
involve one engine in one car .

those with my knowledge and experience will not make absurd claims regarding the alleged superiority
of the dogshnit oil many on this forum are so enamored with .

and
as it happens -
i have already forgotten
more than most reading this will ever learn

please forgive
my arrogance - do not dismiss my knowledge because of my arrogance .
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back to the oil
the words
synthetic oil on the wally mart containers , are meaning less , the courts have ruled that any oil can be labeled synthetic oil whereas
in the past
only oils with base stock 4 could be labeled synthetic
the tested for specifications on the container mean more than anything else on the container
and the specifications you want to see
are
dexos 1 at a minimum
or
ACEA A3 B3 -A3 B4 study and learn
RTFB
reply with facts to disprove me , if you can .
but you will not find any , in the mean time through your studying you will have improved your lot in life by
educating yourselves about engine oils .
which would be a good thing


Edited by mwebb, Sep 18 2012, 10:59 PM.
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iamgeo
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Sure, improvements in oil and additives are better than just a few years ago. But that does not mean the oil recommended by Chevy and other manufacturers of the time will damage our Geo engines today.

There is no way you can back up your claim that "for every engine that still lives on nothing but dogshnit oil
there are hundreds more that have failed catastrophically and are now residing in the scrap yard."
This is just an absurd statement.


This is interesting.....
oilspecifications.org

mwebb
 
those with my knowledge and experience will not make absurd claims regarding the alleged superiority
of the dogshnit oil many on this forum are so enamored with .


Seems to me that people are claiming the oil they use is just fine. How is that absurd?

Still waiting for you to provide proof of your claims.
This is the internet, If what you say is true I'm sure you can provide a dozen links to prove it.
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Cobb
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I love 3rd gear. I think last oil change I used what ever was on sale for 2 dollars a bottle at the gas station. Although I do not believe oil has an expiration date, it seems all stores that sell the stuff moves it to the clearance isle and marks it down to 2 bucks a qt.

3 thousand miles in my sidekick and the oil still looks clean. :drivin
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Cobb
Sep 19 2012, 12:27 PM
I love 3rd gear. I think last oil change I used what ever was on sale for 2 dollars a bottle at the gas station. Although I do not believe oil has an expiration date, it seems all stores that sell the stuff moves it to the clearance isle and marks it down to 2 bucks a qt.

3 thousand miles in my sidekick and the oil still looks clean. :drivin
Beleive it or not, but oil will go bad if its not used, ive seen it first hand. A friend of mine that moved out of his mechanic buisness had alot of older Valvoline oil, that was never opened, we opened one up and poured it into a 5 quart jug, and on the bottom of the bottle was a bunch of oily sludge residue.
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iamgeo
Sep 19 2012, 10:09 AM

There is no way you can back up your claim that "for every engine that still lives on nothing but dogshnit oil
there are hundreds more that have failed catastrophically and are now residing in the scrap yard."
This is just an absurd statement.

If you keep in mind that probably 80-90% of all the cars ever built in the last 120 or so years have been scrapped, then it's probably accurate. At least out here on the best coast. Back east, cars rust out before they die horribly, so YMMV.

I've always used oil that met or exceeded new car warranty specs, and I've not (so far, knock on wood) had an oil-related failure. Every failure has been due either to something else, or my own incompetence.
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The vast majority of cars in scrap yards are there for poor, or no maintenance or accident including the ones that rusted their way there. Good, better, best oil comparisons mean absolutely nothing as compared to good, better, best maintenance schedules.

It is a complete misdirection to focus only on the quality of the oil used while totally ignoring the requirements for differing levels of oil change levels depending on driving conditions. To suggest a single number of miles between changes without a qualifying statement is to be ignorant of or ignoring the most fundamental principle of keeping a vehicle running for a long life.

Those who live in the rust belt have to spend a lot of effort just keeping the rust at bay with maintenance. Those who live in the south or far west just don't have to do that. Differing maintenance. Driving a car for only short hops all the time, in the winter when there is a lot of idling time with cold engines, in the desert heat, on a country road with lots of dust, etc. Each of these require a different oil change schedule.

Good quality oil IS important. It is NOT the only thing.
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Got 70 MPG?

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Regular 3,000 mile oil changes with the cheapest crap you can buy at the dollar shop is perfectly fine, better than anyone dreamed of back in the 80's when our engine was designed. I'm lazy and tend to pour on the miles quickly, so I use Mobil One and Pure One filters and change it every 7,500 or so. I'm sure that your alphabet oil is the very best possible, but saying it's the only thing acceptable is just silly.

My first Metro went to the junkyard with 208K miles on dino oil and 7500 mile changes, had burned valves at 160K as they all do, but no oil related issues at all, still running strong on the original bearings and factory hone marks still visible. Since then I've used better oil but over the life of six Metros (about 700K miles, two were wrecked) I've never seen any oil related failures, or any crustiness or deposits that were out of the ordinary.
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When I was a mechanic most cars I saw suffered from being under serviced.

When I visit the pnp most cars are either old, minor accident damage, seats or interior ripped up. THe parts seem still good. :drivin
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From working in an oil change shop, I don't think for 99% of people the type of oil makes a difference. Most people treat their cars so horribly that they could run the best oil in the world and still not make it past 100k on their engine.

I had a 2010 van come in. Forgot what type, honda odyssey or something. 9999 Fram oil filter. when I removed the filter housing to change out the filter, it looked like an adobe brick. It was a solid ball of mud. They were running full synthetic mobil one, and figured they didn't need oil changes.
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