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Minimum Wage?
Topic Started: Feb 13 2013, 11:14 PM (2,139 Views)
Vkhelldog
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Seems that's at of us agree minimum wage jobs should be starter jobs, intern jobs, all types of seasonal and temperary jobs. If your say 35+ years old and have a minimum wage job still it's because that job pays so good you feel no need to better yourself? I believe in minimum wage being <5$... I believe in internships and on the job training... Once you get off apprentice level you get off minimum wage.... Our systems broke... And it's getting worse.
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imho, the dollar is worth a hell of alot less then it use to, im would only assume the wages would go along with that.

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Feb 14 2013, 08:17 AM
I didn't see an option for - 100%. Let the market dictate wages.
I thought about making a negative increase an option...
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:popcorn I guess as a sign of the time we could use the price of gas but if it was adjusted for inflation it would be like 35 bucks a gallon. :coffee

When I was an intern I got like 2.75 an hour back in the 90s.
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As long as the federal reserve is operating, our dollar will be worth less and less every year. Resulting in the minimum wage to go up due to prices of literally everything skyrocketing.
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Weswhat
Feb 14 2013, 02:20 PM
As long as the federal reserve is operating, our dollar will be worth less and less every year. Resulting in the minimum wage to go up due to prices of literally everything skyrocketing.
Ticket scalping is looking pretty appealing right now. lol
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Feb 14 2013, 02:28 PM
Weswhat
Feb 14 2013, 02:20 PM
As long as the federal reserve is operating, our dollar will be worth less and less every year. Resulting in the minimum wage to go up due to prices of literally everything skyrocketing.
Ticket scalping is looking pretty appealing right now. lol
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Minimum wage here is between $9.90 and $11.00/hour, but you can sign up with any number of temp agencies and be making $13.00/hour the next day.
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3tech
Feb 14 2013, 02:44 PM
Minimum wage here is between $9.90 and $11.00/hour, but you can sign up with any number of temp agencies and be making $13.00/hour the next day.
Yea but isn't everything else a lot more expensive?

And is that after taxes or before? If before, how much do they take out?

Please guys don't turn this into a bullshit tax cry baby thread. I'm just curious about canadian taxes.
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Feb 14 2013, 08:17 AM
Let the market dictate wages.
I agree with you there. The market isn't always perfect in other things though.....
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Feb 14 2013, 02:48 PM
3tech
Feb 14 2013, 02:44 PM
Minimum wage here is between $9.90 and $11.00/hour, but you can sign up with any number of temp agencies and be making $13.00/hour the next day.
Yea but isn't everything else a lot more expensive?

And is that after taxes or before? If before, how much do they take out?

Please guys don't turn this into a bullshit tax cry baby thread. I'm just curious about canadian taxes.
Not everything, but a lot of things certainly are.
As far as taxes, it looks like our taxes are much higher, but the way we are taxed is a lot different. Our property taxes tend to be lower, and we don't have yearly taxes on vehicles, etc. When you factor in things like health care (we don't have to buy ins.) , it gets more complicated. Everything I've read says it's pretty close to being even.

That is before tax, but somebody making that amount would pay very little income tax.
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Horn12007
Feb 14 2013, 08:52 AM
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Feb 14 2013, 08:17 AM
I didn't see an option for - 100%. Let the market dictate wages.
If we are going this way, I'm gonna pull a bernie madoff! lol
Don't get me started on the Bernie Madoff deal....he should have/could have been stopped by alot of "politicians" serving in oversight, such as Congressman Henry Waxman. But I guess they have more important things to do! :banghead
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when people say "free market" most of them really have no idea what they are saying. they are using a phrase without understanding what it means.

a free market is when the "MARKET" is free " NOT " when its participants are free to do as they please.

just as a free market ceases to be free when a government sticks its fingers in IT ALSO ceases to be free when a CORPORATIONS or an INDIVIDUAL sticks its fingers in.

ie a truly free market is not possible because it would require COOPERATION of all participants to not use power they have to unjustly MANIPULATE said market (making it not free)

so there must always be "SOME" level of manipulation in play. the minimum level is for the government to "step in" when a player plays unfairly. but here is the part we ALWAYS fail at. once the correct is made the government needs to step BACK OUT and leave things alone. make the correct then LEAVE.

they don't do this and now corporations lobby government to "DO" their bidding manipulating the market (100% of all monopolies are government enforced and usually government created !!)

there are also some things that MUST be socialized. (utilities)

its not practical to run more than 1 power line sewer line water line to our house. these utilities should be nationalized

power GENERATION can be private but transmission and delivery should be nationalized.

let me describe a free market.

I find some "dog poop" and hey if I package it right people will buy it from me in fact they buy it like crazy.

I am going to be RICH RICH RICH. what happens in a free market? next week people realized HEY he is selling dog poo and making a mint SO AM I.

a week later everyone is selling dog poop. a week after that too many are selling dog poop the poo market crumbles and those that were smart and played their cards carefully survive the fall out and eventually a natural balance is aquired and just the right amount of poo sellers at just the right price are selling just the right amount of poo.

balance. free market at work.

but that is now how we do things. instead first I PATENT the poo. they I trade mark it then I buy up all the dogs around so its harder for you to do what I am doing and then I SUE anyone who tries to get in on my game.

then the government gets into the game with fee's and permits and fines which excludes people.

all this raises the costs so the banks get in on the game with interest and credit ratings. more people are excluded.

the result is only the POWERFUL can really "DO" anything and they support this system because it keeps the riff raff out (us)

not a free market.

Minimum wage is MORE than enough to live on if we have a FAIR system with FAIR taxation and NO USURY.

think about it. even $7 minimum wage 30 hours part time. taxes? whats I have no income just a wage I would pay NO taxes except those built into my purchases (as it should be) no wage tax my income tax would be $0 since my income was $0 no state tax no sales tax (built into the price) no property tax no school tax again built into the price)

some of these taxes would have to be nationalized to prevent corporations from "moving" to tax beneficial areas "starving" other areas of taxes they need etc.. and this would save corporations BILLIONS as the tax system become VERY simple all of a sudden. X tax. that's it. period.

that is $10,080 a year for 48 weeks at 30 hours a week.

OK I want a house. can I afford one? YES. in fact YES I can.

I find a nice $55,000 house I want to buy small and modest. NO usury so the interest is 10% fixed. $5500 interest.

$60,500 if I pay off in 15 years that is $4033 a year or 60% of my wages. not bad. life will be tight but in 15 years I will OWN a home !! so I tighten up the belt to buy my house.

$5,000 used car. so lets call it $6000 20% interest (the risk is higher so higher interest is warranted) $1200 a year or a bit over 10% of my wages. still doable with enough left for basic utilities (water and sewer might be $20 a month electric will be under $100 a month on a small efficient home.

I would even have a tiny bit of money left over at the end of the year. life would not be peachy but it WOULD be possible to LIVE on $7 an hour 30 hours a week 48 weeks a year. and in 15 years I could be living rather nicely since the $4033 a year for my home payment goes away.

the ONLY thing that prevents us from "LIVING" our lives today on a moderate wage IS USURY AND TAXES.

nothing else. do the math for yourself.

before you say well my house is $200,000 well if your making $10k a year YOU SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING at $200k homes. period. when your making $21 an hour or better THEN look at $200k homes.

USURY is so bad in the credit industry that we MUST have 30 year homes to make the payments small enough to pay and THEY ARE STILL HUGE. quite a large portion of people pay over 100% interest on their home loans !! my neighbor was paying 140% interest !!
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some good posts here. i don't think we need a minumum wage. it creates a barrier to entry in the work force. if our money supply was not based off of printing nothing, and taxation was abolished, we would be a lot more wealthier cause the dollar would go further.
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I haven't had a raise in almost 5 years and the last one was only 3%. All this is going to get accomplished is more votes for Obama's cronies and the Democratic party. They should get 3% max.


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