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261 mpg VW - they're finally going to build it!
Topic Started: Feb 22 2013, 03:53 PM (1,253 Views)
BillHoo
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Well, at least they say they are going to.

I like the original protype demonstrated 13 years ago - two seater Tandem, gasoline model that got 300 mpg.

If they actually do make this one, I'd be happy with it. Maybe it will make the other auto makers wake up and produce some of their own!

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/volkswagen-reveals-xl1-313-mpg-beetle-22nd-century-152756434.html



Hope it does not go the way of the Aptera.
Edited by BillHoo, Feb 22 2013, 03:55 PM.
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Coche Blanco
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"In other news ExxonMobil increases the price of fuel to $40 a gallon."

Best comment.
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Tinker1980
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Right. Like we will ever, ever see that car in the us. Read about the Volkswagen lupo, there was a concept.version of that car that could do 278 MPG. Eight years ago.
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13 years ago?????? :popcorn In that case it should get 500+mpg. :cheers
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nerys
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Coche is spot on. MPG is NEVER EVER the answer unless MPG puts you outside the curve.

I tell people all the time.

Do you think me driving a 60mpg metro saves me money?

they ALWAYS say yes. I say you would be wrong.

driving a 60mpg metro saves me nothing.

YOU NOT DRIVING a 60mpg metro saves me money.

the price of fuel is based on how much money they can extract from the system. if we use less fuel THEY MUST raise the price of fuel to compensate and maintain revenues.

if I magically raised the national average fuel economy by 2 times tomorrow by monday they would have raised the national average fuel price by 2 times. your CPM would stay the same. (cost per mile)

fuel economy is never the answer unless "YOU" control the fuel source to at least SOME extent. This is why they REFUSE to make NIMH based EV's (long lasting cheap batteries) but are OK with limited range Lithium EV's (short lived expensive batteries) because the BATTERY is part of the "cost of fuel" equation. they need to keep the cost HIGH.

this is why EV is the answer. YOU can have a SAY in the price and you can make your own electricity (plus it helps that they use so little electricity to begin with)

if you raise my electric price I can simply add a couple solar panels to my roof to "compensate" for this increase bringing my CPM back to where it was. even to ZERO if you have enough roof space and there is VERY little they can actively on a real time basis do about this.

ie RETURN comes back to the USER. this is why they want hydrogen. they retain control of the fuel. therefore control of the money.
Edited by nerys, Feb 22 2013, 04:37 PM.
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Weswhat
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I would think hypothetically speaking, if the country had a 'no gas for a week' protest the price of gas would fall dramatically, no?
Edited by Weswhat, Feb 22 2013, 05:49 PM.
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98chevymetro
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Good point. I never stopped to think about that. I feel dumb now haha. Its kind of like my job. If I work more hours I make more money and my coworkers make less. We share tips. Some people keep an eye on the books (2 week pay periods) and wait until the tips are higher than normal and take a bunch of vacation tip hours to take advantage of the higher toke period. You can often go home early at my job if you want and those people are basically giving me their money as I opt to stay and work my hours.
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nerys
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no you are flat out wrong. (I am being nice but I hear this a lot)

My work is 54 miles from home. even in the geo I REQUIRE 1 gallon of gasoline to get to work and 1 gallon of gasoline to get home.

Period. End of discussion. No argument possible. I either have that 2 gallons of gas OR I DO NOT GOTO WORK. Period.

I currently work 3 days a week that means I REQUIRE (not want but REQUIRE) 6 gallons of fuel even if I do absolutely nothing else but drive back and forth to work.

so. AT SOME POINT IN TIME I without question argument or discussion MUST either put 6 gallons of fuel into my gas tank or NOT GOTO WORK.

Period. so even if we all arranged it SOMEHOW to "fill up" in advance of this week so we would not "NEED" to fill up for that week WE WILL buy more than usual the week before and WE WILL buy more the week after.

period.

not only would this NOT cause a reduction in price of fuel but SMART gas stations would RAISE the price before and after the event to gouge you since you would have to plan this event openly to get the kind of support you would need.

and the TRULY sadistic gas station owners WOULD in fact lower the price in the middle of that week as a big F U to the movement and cause people most likely to BREAK the effort and then laugh at us all the way to the bank.

so long as we REQUIRE the fuel and so long as WE do not control said fuel THEY have the power. period.
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Feb 22 2013, 06:42 PM
no you are flat out wrong. (I am being nice but I hear this a lot)

My work is 54 miles from home. even in the geo I REQUIRE 1 gallon of gasoline to get to work and 1 gallon of gasoline to get home.

Period. End of discussion. No argument possible. I either have that 2 gallons of gas OR I DO NOT GOTO WORK. Period.

I currently work 3 days a week that means I REQUIRE (not want but REQUIRE) 6 gallons of fuel even if I do absolutely nothing else but drive back and forth to work.

so. AT SOME POINT IN TIME I without question argument or discussion MUST either put 6 gallons of fuel into my gas tank or NOT GOTO WORK.

Period. so even if we all arranged it SOMEHOW to "fill up" in advance of this week so we would not "NEED" to fill up for that week WE WILL buy more than usual the week before and WE WILL buy more the week after.

period.

not only would this NOT cause a reduction in price of fuel but SMART gas stations would RAISE the price before and after the event to gouge you since you would have to plan this event openly to get the kind of support you would need.

and the TRULY sadistic gas station owners WOULD in fact lower the price in the middle of that week as a big F U to the movement and cause people most likely to BREAK the effort and then laugh at us all the way to the bank.

so long as we REQUIRE the fuel and so long as WE do not control said fuel THEY have the power. period.
I think the actual goal would be to cut out all non essential driving.
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98chevymetro
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Gas stations, as far as I know, are not in control of their fuel prices. They are dictated what to set their prices on a daily basis and its by their location and oil speculation, of course. They only really make money on their other sales inside the store.
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Weswhat
Feb 22 2013, 04:52 PM
I would think hypothetically speaking, if the country had a 'no gas for a week' protest the price of gas would fall dramatically, no?
No because immediately before the protest, everyone would top off......immediately after the protest, they would top off again.

and like 98 said, the gas stations aren't to blame they make money off their $4 red bulls and over priced junk food.
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As for the article. I could have swore I was doing a google search and found the same article, but it was made back in 2008.....
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nerys
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Correct. when I say raise gas prices etc.. I don't mea the gas stations themselves. in fact some prime brand stations will TAKE the profits from the stations to control the price.

if the stations raises their prices for example the supplier will raise the whole sale price to absorbs the profits from the price increase. they really are crooks though this DOES create less change of opportunistic price gouging.

BTW this vehicle is a pretty big turn off. its a VW version of the chevy folk (though without the stigma)

you have the EXPENSIVE lithium battery but none of the true advantages of an electric. ie you still have an expensive liquid fuel powered engine to feed and maintain and all its associated CRAP.

261mpg means nothing to me. what is the MPG "AFTER" the battery is dead on the highway NOT COUNTING the battery. ie just the .8l diesel.

I admit it has to be pretty good considering its a .8l 2cyl diesel with a 7 speed tranny.

how about a PEOPLE's CAR AGAIN. how about this same car with NONE of the electrics OR double the size of the battery and DITCH all the diesel stuff.

I don't want a hybrid. they NEVER save you money in the long run.

I want a FULL electric that can do minimum 70 miles worst case scenario OR I want a hyper efficient cheap simple diesel.

Edited by nerys, Feb 22 2013, 07:36 PM.
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However, that's not to say the owners of these stations aren't making a hansom living. I know a guy who owns a few chevrons and he's pretty rich. Comes into my work and blows thousands regularly. Once $80,000 I believe.
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Nery, I like your theory better on how the government invented soda to spread AIDS. :popcorn

Its CPM for the average joe. Ive detuned my insight for power and fun vs mpg. My tank average went from 54 to 36. Now that gas is almost 4 bucks a gallon its starting to make me change my budget for the month. Infact I just undid a few modifications and put another 5 psi in my tires.
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