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Topic Started: Dec 12 2013, 11:36 AM (1,297 Views)
chevystrong90
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As all of you know I recently bought a geo metro. 5 sped and I have put 4900 miles on it in 3 months and this morning I let it warm up like usual. Then thebproblem occurs. As I'm going int 5 t noticed t was hard. I arrive at my highway Exit after i get off the road about 3 miles later another 55 mph zone I went into 5th and I could not get the shifter .to go into 5th. Clutch cable just broke last night I put another one on and adjusted it the best I could.

Does it need more adjusting or some fresh. Fluid ? Btw first gear has been gone for a while if that helps anybody.
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Old Man


Clutch pedal feels right? 1/16th to 1/8th play in the clutch arm on top of the bell housing?

Wonder if the screws have started backing out, the ones that hold the plate in place under 5th gear. Might have to pull the top hat off and take a look.
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chevystrong90
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My clutch pedal used to be extremely tight. No play at all and afterb5000 miles it finally broke. Or I think it was because of that. Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more. Check tranny fluid aswell.

Your talking about the screws that is hiding behind the case cover. I'll check into those.
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chevystrong90
Dec 12 2013, 12:46 PM
My clutch pedal used to be extremely tight. No play at all and afterb5000 miles it finally broke. Or I think it was because of that. Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more. Check tranny fluid aswell.

"Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more."

That is no way to adjust a clutch. -- check the clutch arm on top of the bell housing/tranny. there should be one sixteenth to one eight inch play in the arm where the adjustment nut is. Trying to adjust the "spongy" out of your clutch is wrong, so by the arm movement.

If you adjust it the right way there and the clutch still feels "spongy" you probably have something else wrong in the clutch system. ie maybe the springs in the clutch disc are going bad ? or the pressure plate is bad?
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thechocolateghost
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Old Man
Dec 12 2013, 01:20 PM
chevystrong90
Dec 12 2013, 12:46 PM
My clutch pedal used to be extremely tight. No play at all and afterb5000 miles it finally broke. Or I think it was because of that. Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more. Check tranny fluid aswell.

"Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more."

That is no way to adjust a clutch. -- check the clutch arm on top of the bell housing/tranny. there should be one sixteenth to one eight inch play in the arm where the adjustment nut is. Trying to adjust the "spongy" out of your clutch is wrong, so by the arm movement.

If you adjust it the right way there and the clutch still feels "spongy" you probably have something else wrong in the clutch system. ie maybe the springs in the clutch disc are going bad ? or the pressure plate is bad?
sounds like you have a bad slave cylinder. easy fix no more spongy clutch.
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Dec 13 2013, 11:16 AM
Old Man
Dec 12 2013, 01:20 PM
chevystrong90
Dec 12 2013, 12:46 PM
My clutch pedal used to be extremely tight. No play at all and afterb5000 miles it finally broke. Or I think it was because of that. Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more. Check tranny fluid aswell.

"Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more."

That is no way to adjust a clutch. -- check the clutch arm on top of the bell housing/tranny. there should be one sixteenth to one eight inch play in the arm where the adjustment nut is. Trying to adjust the "spongy" out of your clutch is wrong, so by the arm movement.

If you adjust it the right way there and the clutch still feels "spongy" you probably have something else wrong in the clutch system. ie maybe the springs in the clutch disc are going bad ? or the pressure plate is bad?
sounds like you have a bad slave cylinder. easy fix no more spongy clutch.
No slave cylinder involved. It has a cable operated clutch.
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clarkdw
Dec 13 2013, 11:23 AM
thechocolateghost
Dec 13 2013, 11:16 AM
Old Man
Dec 12 2013, 01:20 PM
chevystrong90
Dec 12 2013, 12:46 PM
My clutch pedal used to be extremely tight. No play at all and afterb5000 miles it finally broke. Or I think it was because of that. Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more. Check tranny fluid aswell.

"Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more."

That is no way to adjust a clutch. -- check the clutch arm on top of the bell housing/tranny. there should be one sixteenth to one eight inch play in the arm where the adjustment nut is. Trying to adjust the "spongy" out of your clutch is wrong, so by the arm movement.

If you adjust it the right way there and the clutch still feels "spongy" you probably have something else wrong in the clutch system. ie maybe the springs in the clutch disc are going bad ? or the pressure plate is bad?
sounds like you have a bad slave cylinder. easy fix no more spongy clutch.
No slave cylinder involved. It has a cable operated clutch.
keep adjusting the clutch cable. check the shift linkage for any play, most often a loose shift linkage will eb responsible for not beign able to shift into certain gears . I assumed it was a hydraulic clutch pedal since it is not your spongy ness is coming from the cable. and as you already know yes the cable is adjustable
Edited by thechocolateghost, Dec 13 2013, 11:50 AM.
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Old Man


Level of expertise is quite questionable if that person don't even know that a Metro does not have a hydraulic clutch
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thechocolateghost
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Dec 13 2013, 01:18 PM
Level of expertise is quite questionable if that person don't even know that a Metro does not have a hydraulic clutch
being a wiley and salty old man you are still prone to error as is everyone else:

you recommended a thinner washer before the castle nut for replacement of the homokinetic joint( constant velocity)

you confused cv joint with universal joint

you gave the wrong diagnosis on this fellers clutch cable problem

he is clearly having a clutch cable adjustment issue. also not beign able to shift into first and 5th scream of shift linkage play. it wont be whether there is 1/16th play in the bell housing.

finally I was incorrect in my initial assessment of slave cylinder. a bad slave cylinder in a hydraulic clutch cable equipped vehicle will produce a very spongy feel.

error is the condiment that gives success its flavor.

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chevystrong90
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clarkdw
Dec 13 2013, 11:23 AM
thechocolateghost
Dec 13 2013, 11:16 AM
Old Man
Dec 12 2013, 01:20 PM
chevystrong90
Dec 12 2013, 12:46 PM
My clutch pedal used to be extremely tight. No play at all and afterb5000 miles it finally broke. Or I think it was because of that. Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more. Check tranny fluid aswell.

"Now its a little spongy so I'm going to tighten it a little more."

That is no way to adjust a clutch. -- check the clutch arm on top of the bell housing/tranny. there should be one sixteenth to one eight inch play in the arm where the adjustment nut is. Trying to adjust the "spongy" out of your clutch is wrong, so by the arm movement.

If you adjust it the right way there and the clutch still feels "spongy" you probably have something else wrong in the clutch system. ie maybe the springs in the clutch disc are going bad ? or the pressure plate is bad?
sounds like you have a bad slave cylinder. easy fix no more spongy clutch.
No slave cylinder involved. It has a cable operated clutch.




Yepp..

I got the spare transmission and all the tools I need I'm going to do it at a buddy tomorrow's and put a fairly used clutch I have in and some more fluid in the current transmission(FYI with no first and has problems going into 5th). hopefully the fluid will get it back operating right.

I checked the fluid it was black.. /: so I know thats not any good and it wasn't as thick as gear oil should be..

I was told the spare transmission runs and shifts fine all gears are smooth. Reverse is not as strong as it used to be but thats fine with me.

wish me luck!.
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chevystrong90
Dec 13 2013, 06:49 PM
clarkdw
Dec 13 2013, 11:23 AM
thechocolateghost
Dec 13 2013, 11:16 AM
Old Man
Dec 12 2013, 01:20 PM

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sounds like you have a bad slave cylinder. easy fix no more spongy clutch.
No slave cylinder involved. It has a cable operated clutch.




Yepp..

I got the spare transmission and all the tools I need I'm going to do it at a buddy tomorrow's and put a fairly used clutch I have in and some more fluid in the current transmission(FYI with no first and has problems going into 5th). hopefully the fluid will get it back operating right.

I checked the fluid it was black.. /: so I know thats not any good and it wasn't as thick as gear oil should be..

I was told the spare transmission runs and shifts fine all gears are smooth. Reverse is not as strong as it used to be but thats fine with me.

wish me luck!.
good luck but I would still check for any play in the shift linkage.
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chevystrong90
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thechocolateghost
Dec 14 2013, 12:36 AM
chevystrong90
Dec 13 2013, 06:49 PM
clarkdw
Dec 13 2013, 11:23 AM
thechocolateghost
Dec 13 2013, 11:16 AM

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No slave cylinder involved. It has a cable operated clutch.




Yepp..

I got the spare transmission and all the tools I need I'm going to do it at a buddy tomorrow's and put a fairly used clutch I have in and some more fluid in the current transmission(FYI with no first and has problems going into 5th). hopefully the fluid will get it back operating right.

I checked the fluid it was black.. /: so I know thats not any good and it wasn't as thick as gear oil should be..

I was told the spare transmission runs and shifts fine all gears are smooth. Reverse is not as strong as it used to be but thats fine with me.

wish me luck!.
good luck but I would still check for any play in the shift linkage.
I will and I am still getting around to doing the swap/fix Sunday or Monday morning.
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Johnny Mullet
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After you have fun wrestling that trans out, you might want to consider a new clutch kit. Nobody wants to pull a tranny twice for no reason. You may never know when you have a bad pilot bearing, bad throwout bearing or weak clutch springs which are notorious on these.
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Johnny Mullet
Dec 14 2013, 04:47 PM
After you have fun wrestling that trans out, you might want to consider a new clutch kit. Nobody wants to pull a tranny twice for no reason. You may never know when you have a bad pilot bearing, bad throwout bearing or weak clutch springs which are notorious on these.
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chevystrong90
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Johnny Mullet
Dec 14 2013, 04:47 PM
After you have fun wrestling that trans out, you might want to consider a new clutch kit. Nobody wants to pull a tranny twice for no reason. You may never know when you have a bad pilot bearing, bad throwout bearing or weak clutch springs which are notorious on these.


In this situation its going to have to b twice butbnext week a new clutch throw out and piolet bearing and everything else i can think off. Just have to wait a week for funds to be there before any major work.


Any advice pulling tranny tomorrow. Any dos or donts
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