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FRAM AUTOPSY HM3614; Just for fun.
Topic Started: Feb 22 2014, 01:35 PM (2,582 Views)
myredvert
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myredvert

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The truck now has 469,000 miles on it and because of what I have heard on this forum I am now expecting it to fail prematurely.
It probably will, but to be safe I wouldn't let your truck read any of it, and don't tell it either. :(

I also have used Fram filters almost exclusively for my entire life without a problem. My Tracker had 250,000 miles on the original engine, and still had excellent compression and didn't burn a drop of oil when it got totaled in one horrible winter ice storm. Not exactly a scientifically reliable sample size, but not nothing either. I have always changed my oil regularly, and often. Just because I am now making a choice to trust the guy who rebuilt my engine and has more automotive knowledge than me and switch to the brand of filter that he recommends, doesn't mean I believe Fram filters are crap either.

On the other hand, if it's on the internet, it must be true, because on the internet it says that nothing can be put on the internet if it isn't true.
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Woodie
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me2
Feb 24 2014, 11:33 AM
The truck now has 469,000 miles on it and because of what I have heard on this forum I am now expecting it to fail prematurely.
We'll all scream: "See there, told you so!"

To be fair, this is all based on findings twenty years ago on their bottom of the line filter. That one model was a bit shabby back then. No idea if the better grade filters were better (almost certainly were) or if it's been changed since then.
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motorking
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Feb 23 2014, 03:21 PM
iamgeo
Feb 22 2014, 03:48 PM
Oh boy. Another person on the bash Fram train.
They're simply an inferior product. Perhaps they're equally effective (though there is substantial evidence to the contrary), but I'd rather have a quality oil filter rather than take a risk. The cost is minimally different, and I've had personal experiences (negative), that make the decision valid for me.

You do not have to make the same decision, but I highly encourage your to read others' experiences before mindlessly trusting your vehicle to this brand:

https://www.google.fr/search?q=fram+destroyed+engine

http://goo.gl/4Bu2PO

There have been several people who have cut open filters to find out how they are constructed,

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/general-discussion/31190-oil-filters-dissected.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20121102110351/http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html
Hello,
I am the technical director at FRAM. I will simply state this, we have the best filter efficiency in the industry, and we stand behind our products 100%. What does that mean? If you experience a filter failure that causes engine damage, we cover it, 100% including a rental car. We make nearly 300 million filters a year, if what you (and other "internet experts") say is true, we couldnt stay in business for a week. It has become very fashionable to "bash FRAM" on the internet, we are not sure why.
We make the OE filters for Honda, Subaru, General Motors, Mack trucks (a few mopar and motorcraft models) and many brands that enjoy great sales and popularity with car owners. We currently make over 30 brands of oil filters.

Alot of the "bash Fram" hysteria comes from small and big block chevy owners building engines in their garages, blocking off the oil filter bypass valve in the engine block, then blaming the FRAM filter for catching all the dirt and crap in the engine, plugging up and collapsing due to the blocked off bypass valve. This type of failure has nothing to do with the filter, it is due to the ignorance of the engine builder. GM is the only company that has the filter bypass in the engine block, all others have it in the filter. We even put a high flow bypass in our chevy racing filters for this very reason. So the next time you hear....Oh, I will never use a FRAM, my neighbors uncles cousins race car blew up with a FRAM, now you know why. And before you claim that a FRAM filter blew up your engine, and you didnt make a claim with FRAM quality and claims dept because you were willing to eat the cost of a new engine, well... really? Who does that?
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Feb 25 2014, 09:30 AM
If you experience a filter failure that causes engine damage, we cover it, 100% including a rental car.
What steps are taken in determining the filter was actually the cause of engine failure before fram reimburses someone for a engine?
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me2


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Feb 25 2014, 10:26 AM
motorking
Feb 25 2014, 09:30 AM
If you experience a filter failure that causes engine damage, we cover it, 100% including a rental car.
What steps are taken in determining the filter was actually the cause of engine failure before fram reimburses someone for a engine?
I'm guessing they don't ask people on the internet to take up a vote...
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JADEDSL2
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I'm not going to say they're bad, I just won't use them. Plain and simple as that. Call me a filter racist. I don't care. I used one Fram once, and it ran 0 miles, because the case buckled when I was installing it with my fingers. Yeah, you read that right. Perhaps I got a single lemon, perhaps not, but I won't try any more to find out. There are dozens of other brands out there, I'll stick with my favorites, you stick with yours.
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Murf 59
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Feb 25 2014, 10:26 AM
motorking
Feb 25 2014, 09:30 AM
If you experience a filter failure that causes engine damage, we cover it, 100% including a rental car.
What steps are taken in determining the filter was actually the cause of engine failure before fram reimburses someone for a engine?
Wow someone from Fram showed up. Cool. I would be curious also to read what the process is like. I have run Fram most of my life. I am cheap though, and if I can buy one on sale I will. In 2011, when I was running on the salt at Bonneville, spinning my G10 at 8000rpm+ I had a Fram on it. With no problems. Not once. But like has been said in this thread. Run the brand you are comfortable with. Period.
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davegran
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Motorking is the real deal. I did a bit of research and he is all over the internet on different forums, keeping the Fram faith. One reference he mentions is CadzillaLS6 on YouTube. Take a look at it. If you have any oil filter questions, now would be the time to ask them.... :news
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ascensions
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Je conduis une petite voiture.

You may stand behind your products, but unfortunately you don't build a better product. That's fact. Fram at one time was an excellent product, that changed at some point, likely with the Wal-Martization of your product.

If this individual is who he/she is, I'd like to see some technical data on failure rates (cited in a publication). It should be a part of standard product testing.

The truth is most people won't make claims against a oil filter, because it's difficult to prove.

While the internet is full of claims, there's usually a hint of truth even in urban legend (if it even is one).

Regardless, there are many brands that offer better construction (indisputable) at the same or slightly more cost. Why would I even risk using Fram until you raise your quality to the level of your competitors?

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Feb 26 2014, 08:48 AM
Why would I even risk using Fram until you raise your quality to the level of your competitors?

If I understand frams representitive correctly, he is saying frams quality already exceeds the competitors in that they filter a larger percentage of dirt.
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iamgeo
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ascensions, are you avoiding the questions that have been asked of you? I am referring to post 11.
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iamgeo
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The truth is most people won't make claims against a oil filter, because it's difficult to prove.


You did.....
acensions
 
and I've had personal experiences (negative), that make the decision valid for me.
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Horn


Holy crap I agree with Iamgeo?!?!

Used fram off and on for about 10 years. I usually use the cheapest filter I can find. I have never had a problem with them.

It almost seems like the more expensive ones are just a great marketing ploy. We test how good the filters are etc, but how much filtration does the average engine need? Obviously you don't want gunk and build up.

I tend to use supertech often and no problem there either.
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Pay attention to what the man said:
"We currently make over 30 brands of oil filters."
That more expensive filter that you're buying instead of a Fram? Probably came from the same factory.
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sphenicie


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Feb 26 2014, 08:48 AM
You may stand behind your products, but unfortunately you don't build a better product. That's fact. Fram at one time was an excellent product, that changed at some point, likely with the Wal-Martization of your product.

If this individual is who he/she is, I'd like to see some technical data on failure rates (cited in a publication). It should be a part of standard product testing.

The truth is most people won't make claims against a oil filter, because it's difficult to prove.

While the internet is full of claims, there's usually a hint of truth even in urban legend (if it even is one).

Regardless, there are many brands that offer better construction (indisputable) at the same or slightly more cost. Why would I even risk using Fram until you raise your quality to the level of your competitors?

I asked you to site your "negative experiences", as of now there has been no direct answer. share your experiences with us.....ENLIGHTEN US!

how bout some facts, or a cute little antidote, or just some random bullshit gossip. oh, that's all we have gotten.
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