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Removing paint from 93 convert.
Topic Started: May 31 2014, 07:50 AM (1,001 Views)
blbrwn
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Hi new guy first post. Just picked up a 93 convertible with 75,000 from second owner, who didn’t like the color so he sprayed it black then later a friend came over and repainted in the back yard refrigerator white. The car originally was a sparkle reddish purple color would not mind going back to the original due to the fact it’s kind of unusual color ;) , would it be possible to remove the paint down to the primary? If so how?

Thank you Bill
Edited by blbrwn, May 31 2014, 07:51 AM.
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Metromightymouse
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Sanding, blasting with baking soda (professional service), or a chemical stripper designed for automotive or aircraft paints.
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91 ragtop
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Not possible to do that. You'll have to either sand it all down or strip it and respray it.


Ken..........
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Here's your chance to do that custom paint job you always wanted to try.
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gonna take a lot of elbow grease and time...but worth it in the end...do one panel at at time, sand it down to base primer, paint any bare metal with Rust-Oleum Stops Rust Rust Reformer 215215, then apply a primer, dont sand with less than 600 grit or your gonna get some big scratches to fill...the original color was probably Magenta Metallic, code should be one of these...184A, 38U, WA184A...here is where you can get the original color...http://www.automotivetouchup.com/touch-up-paint/buypaint... :type
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I would use a D/A sander with 120 grit and take it down to the original paint/primer. Then use 180, 220 and 320 on the D/A, prime it and block it with 400 wet/dry sandpaper and paint it with catalyzed paint. BTW the 120 doesn't really leave deep scratches but will take the old paint off quickly. the other grit sandpaper is just to remove the 120 grit scratches and goes quickly because your not really removing paint at that point, just removing scratches. With a car as small as a Geo it will be quick work if you don't need to do any bodywork.
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91 ragtop
May 31 2014, 10:15 AM
Not possible to do that. You'll have to either sand it all down or strip it and respray it.


Ken..........
I completely missed he said sand it down to the original paint. Thanks for having better reading comprehension than I do today. :thumb
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tribrid
May 31 2014, 11:34 AM
I would use a D/A sander with 120 grit and take it down to the original paint/primer. Then use 180, 220 and 320 on the D/A, prime it and block it with 400 wet/dry sandpaper and paint it with catalyzed paint. BTW the 120 doesn't really leave deep scratches but will take the old paint off quickly. the other grit sandpaper is just to remove the 120 grit scratches and goes quickly because your not really removing paint at that point, just removing scratches. With a car as small as a Geo it will be quick work if you don't need to do any bodywork.
:gp Keep in mind though most good 2K Primer surfacers will cover 180 grit scratches, so you may not need to step it out all the way to 320 before priming. Also, if you are trying to straighten dents and dings or any orange peel after primer is applied 400 grit just bridges over the primer and doesn't offer much for straightening capabilities. Try starting with 180 or 220 after primer, eventually finishing it out to at least a 400 grit if you are going to be using a good sealer before the base coat (recommended). Otherwise if you are just going to spray base coat followed by clear right over the primer you need to get it to at least a 600 grit scratch.
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If its been sprayed with rattle cans it would take some time , but lacquer thinner would take off that paint down to the original without harming it !
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geo pet
May 31 2014, 05:34 PM
If its been sprayed with rattle cans it would take some time , but lacquer thinner would take off that paint down to the original without harming it !
Of course you may discover they sanded before painting and trashed it anyway.
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Jun 1 2014, 06:27 AM
geo pet
May 31 2014, 05:34 PM
If its been sprayed with rattle cans it would take some time , but lacquer thinner would take off that paint down to the original without harming it !
Of course you may discover they sanded before painting and trashed it anyway.
That's always a possibility , but if it has been spray painted, in my past experience, people that spray paint cars normally don't send them first ....
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geo pet
Jun 1 2014, 08:23 AM
Metromightymouse
Jun 1 2014, 06:27 AM
geo pet
May 31 2014, 05:34 PM
If its been sprayed with rattle cans it would take some time , but lacquer thinner would take off that paint down to the original without harming it !
Of course you may discover they sanded before painting and trashed it anyway.
That's always a possibility , but if it has been spray painted, in my past experience, people that spray paint cars normally don't send them first ....
:thumb Very true, I just wanted to warn of the possibility. Decent chance that there was something wrong with the original paint unless the PO just really hated the color. You do win the thread for being the only one to come up with a reasonable answer to the original question. :cheers
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blbrwn
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Thank you to everyone who replied I defiantly have some ideas, with only 75,000 original miles I hope to bring this geo up to a better standard than the abuse it went through before. Again thanks for your help!

Cheers
Bill
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blbrwn
Jun 4 2014, 08:39 PM
Thank you to everyone who replied I defiantly have some ideas, with only 75,000 original miles I hope to bring this geo up to a better standard than the abuse it went through before. Again thanks for your help!

Cheers
Bill
Wow.
This site is the best for mechanical issues and whatnot, but you shouldn't seek body/paint advice here. GeoPet had the only sensible reply here whatsoever.
If the car has been rattlecanned, get a gallon of cheapo laquer thinner (you'll need it regardless of what direction you take), soak a terrycloth washcloth in it, and scrub hell outta a small spot in the dead center of the hood (because the thinner won't drip somewhere you don't want it to), and see how it goes. If it's Krylon/whatever, the thinner will remove it with a little elbow grease. A few things to keep in mind-
keep the thinner off anything but the paint you want to remove, it will fuck up your headlamp lenses, etc.
If the thinner doesnt do anything on your test spot on the center of the hood, you'll have to sand the car smooth before repainting.
Don't even think about an air sander. They work pretty well in the hands of an experienced tech on a slab sided vehicle, but they are worthless on a curved jellybean like the Metro for a professional finish.
A DA sander is a tool designed to save time for budget shops on budget paintjobs. It has a flat 6" pad that works great on large flat panels like a 86 Ford F-150, but not so much for curved panels.
If you have to sand, use a thin flexible block, start off with 220 (3M paper is the best) wetpaper, sand the bejeesus outa the whole car that way, alternating from horizontal/verticle/ circular strokes, the longer strokes the better. When you get down close to the original finish, switch to 400 grit wetpaper and sand the whole car again, until there is nothing but the original finish remaining (bcuz you are unsure about what the previous owner sprayed on the car and whether or not real automotive paint you spray over it might dissolve it and make a disaster).
When you get to this point, post back, cuz there is too much to post at one time about this for a quality finish.
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Thank you EXO, I was on the road but stopped long enough to try out your suggestion. My test spot was inside the trunk, got past the white paint but found the rattle can black. Boy everyone was serious about not wanting the original color. Cleaned everything up and polished the original paint. But it did not work. I have a few spots that still has the original color and no way do they match. It seems the black sort of etched itself into the original paint. So despite all the great suggestions it looks like I have a white covetable. At least the last owner did things right covering the door jams / inside the trunk / and most of the interior. I just need to polish the paint to get rid of the orange peel and make her shine!

Thanks everyone!

Cheers Bill
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