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The Red Baron; It's about to get nasty up in here.
Topic Started: Jun 5 2014, 11:26 PM (14,349 Views)
pvr007
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That bar will bring his lowest point by alot, he will be hitting quite often in every ditch/ dip.
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dueces
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The Traction bar setup is not complete. I still have to mount the heim joint adjustable bars to the front support bar I just put on, and to the A-arms. This bar is about a 1/4" lower than the lowest part of the transmission, but due to it's location forward of the tires, it will hit on ramps and what not rather easily
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snowfish
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Oct 6 2015, 01:31 PM
snowfish
Oct 6 2015, 12:18 PM
I guess I'm wondering what we are bracing here? :dunno Does the lower radiator support flex that much? :hmm The frame anchoring material is only 12-10ga tops. :news And spot welded to boot. :smackface Please explain your theory. :popcorn
A traction bar is not the same thing as you are used to seeing on this forum.
OK, now you're digging. :rofl I guess I've never seen a traction bar that wasn't hooked up to any suspension components. :tumbleweed That's more of an opossum catcher. :rad

Edit.............we posted at the same time. :smackface Now I'm Really interested on what's up your sleeve. :popcorn
Edited by snowfish, Oct 7 2015, 11:08 AM.
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dueces
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If the spots I'm bolted through turn out to not be enough, I will add bracing to the inner side of the frame rail, just behind the radiator. The entire "frame" is nothing more than thin gaged metal shaped and pressed together.
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ZXTjato
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i am wondering, would it do any thing to weld up the joints where all the sheet is spot welded? run nice welds along all the gaps?
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dueces
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Where he is refering to spot welding is where I'm bolted through, which is just the Tow Eyes under the radiator support. Seeing as I am bolted through it, and the pressures from the traction bar will be forward/backward, I don't think welding those will help. On the other hand, if for some reason those points flex in or out, I can add angled bracing just behind the radiator. I don't think I will need it, but then again I have never used or built a traction bar before....
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Coche Blanco
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snowfish
Oct 7 2015, 11:07 AM
Coche Blanco
Oct 6 2015, 01:31 PM
snowfish
Oct 6 2015, 12:18 PM
I guess I'm wondering what we are bracing here? :dunno Does the lower radiator support flex that much? :hmm The frame anchoring material is only 12-10ga tops. :news And spot welded to boot. :smackface Please explain your theory. :popcorn
A traction bar is not the same thing as you are used to seeing on this forum.
OK, now you're digging. :rofl I guess I've never seen a traction bar that wasn't hooked up to any suspension components. :tumbleweed That's more of an opossum catcher. :rad

Edit.............we posted at the same time. :smackface Now I'm Really interested on what's up your sleeve. :popcorn
IDK what 'digging' means in this context, but here's a picture of what I am talking about.

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dueces
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That is pretty close to what mine will look like in the end.
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dueces
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Go figure, another 3 weeks go by before another update... I have been busy watching the kiddos now that the wife works at night, and I have been too busy attending Rally America on the weekends, ha ha.

Anywho, I'm back to work on the traction bar setup. It will look much better and make more sense when you guys see the finish product, but these are some work in progress pics:

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dueces
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Well the bar is finished and remounted, and the passenger side heim bar is hooked up and good to go. In the morning I will button up the drivers side and see how it drives

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That's all for tonight, after this should be retuning the,timing table, and retuning the 5000rpm+ area fuel table for vtec.
Edited by dueces, Oct 30 2015, 10:36 PM.
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dueces
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You ever work on a project and feel like you must be a 200 year old turtle? That's my pace right now!!!

I ordered some more parts, for both the 4wd system, and the turbo system. I am not positive if I mentioned this, but the rear end will be pneumatic, and on a switch. It will use aan ARB locker air pump to activate the system.

I purchased the ARB pump, wastegate, BOV, and a new wideband, which I installed next to my rpm switch that activates VTEC.

Here are a couple pictures:

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Thanks for looking.

Oh I almost forgot, the traction bar helped out a lot....
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snowfish
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I am humbled by what you are accomplishing here. :rocker Great job on the traction bar. :thumb
I apologize for not understanding at first. :'( Faster than a herd of turtles is fine! :lol Gives us all time to digest the magnitude of this build. :gamerz Excellent! :cheers
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air locker will be used to lock ( like a Posi) the rear wheels? will it be all wheel drive or will the air locker engage the rear wheels? very ambitious project!
Edited by 68custom, Nov 25 2015, 05:24 PM.
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t3ragtop
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now i see how that bracing might be called a traction bar.

the traction bars i think of are the old school rear drive ladder bars they used on drag cars to control wheel hop and to keep the rear axle from twisting and binding up the rear drive shaft universal. :hmm

it might be a honda thing but on the sf413 chassis we have always stabilized the control arms by using a frame brace that slides over the front control arm mounting pins to keep the fronts of the control arms from moving in or out and then ties the front to the rear of the control arm's rear mounting point.

that bracing takes the dynamic forces off the fragile frame horns on the suzuki chassis and holds the control arm geometry under acceleration and braking.

your bracing ties the control arms down with links and i'm not sure that your chassis is getting the same benefit as the lower 4 point brace.

for what it's worth, there's next to no structural integrity to the uni-body frame rails ahead of the engine mounts. basically, the chassis components that far up front are lightly loaded, things like the lower radiator support and the bumper's support beam. those are the first things to get crushed with a minor hit.

anyway, i'm enjoying your build thread. ;)
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back 2 pages ago he did make a small brace for the frame, not sure what hes got in mind with it but it is some form of a brace, for now any way.... probably evolve into more :lol
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