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The WOLF CUB (1993 Suzuki Swift/Metro)
Topic Started: Jun 25 2014, 03:15 PM (14,628 Views)
Greywolf
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I have a fixture made of two by fours in place to lower it carefully, and I will try that soon.

I have the impression that no one here really wants to talk to me anymore - and so under the circumstances i guess I have scared everyone off or offended them. That is unfortunate.

I will post up my results, what I find. I owe you that.


After that I don't really know what to do except just leave

There is one last problem, and that is the injector return signal.

If you don't hear from me for a long time - I am working on that.

I will give you that solution when I have found it.



~Ciao

Grass grows in season
Fireflies at the edge of the woods light
The moon rolls across the sky at night
But autumn surely comes
Edited by Greywolf, May 21 2015, 11:45 PM.
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Mythstae
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I still read your thread.
I respond when I think I have something to contribute.
But you sometimes say things that come across as argumentative, or YELLING because that is what caps lock is for...
And, well, people tend to get a bit offended when you yell at them, when they are just trying to help.
Sorry if I sound like a jerk - just trying to explain what I see as a probable reason for the silence.
:dunno
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Greywolf
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I've made a mess of who I am here.

Maybe I did not understand, maybe I was not understood.

It's still a wreck and a ruin

Best I just go gracefully as I can.
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Mythstae
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You don't have to go anywhere.

All life is a journey. Who you were, leads to who you are, leads to who you can become.

If you fear what has become of your communications - change them. Strive for a new way. Perhaps you will inspire others to strive, as well. :)
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idmetro
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Greywolf
May 21 2015, 11:48 PM
I've made a mess of who I am here.

Maybe I did not understand, maybe I was not understood.

It's still a wreck and a ruin

Best I just go gracefully as I can.
Don't have to go unless you want to.

Good/Bad/Indifferent we've got it all here, just like families everywhere.
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Metromightymouse
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I, like Mythstae, only post when I feel I have something to add. Even my normal snark posts are mostly gone since most of my forum time is on my phone and it's just too much of a pain in the butt to bother to post something intended to get a chuckle. I have read all your posts (ok, that isn't saying much since I read all new posts) and yours are not on the list of posts I roll my eyes at or dread to read. Yes, there are those who probably don't like your methods or the way you have posted about things in the past, but those items are just that, in the past.

Perhaps you should look at it a little differently; either you have achieved a modicum of acceptance of your methods or you have not proposed something that is so out of line that everyone sees a need to try to correct what you want to try. Those are both the times when you received the most feedback.

Personally, I would hate to see you go. I enjoy your thread and would like to see you finish and where it takes you and this car. We all have members that we wouldn't miss if they just up and left. You aren't on my list of those members, and I'm sure plenty of us would hate to see you leave.

Do what is right for you, not what is right for us! :thumb
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I have the impression that no one here really wants to talk to me anymore - and so under the circumstances i guess I have scared everyone off or offended them. That is unfortunate.
Scared off? No. I think there is a fair amount of not understanding each other on both sides.

But, you have also tried to run some of us off with threats simply for suggesting you not rely on a known unreliable manual, or that you follow the real procedure in the real manual to really test your system components, which you have not yet done.

Quite honestly, putting a minute of effort into researching the FSM for your issues in order to offer sound advice and directing you to the correct testing procedures seems quite futile. And the more you dig your heels in and try to prove you can Frank Sinatra your car back into running condition, the more puzzled you become about your systems' status and in some/many/most respects you are getting further away from obtaining meaningful or useful data and achieving running status - not closer.

For example, return flow rate is irrelevant, unless you are more concerned with calculating how long it will take to drain your tank to drop it (again) than you are with getting your car operating normally. I would suggest you don't drop your tank again until you have installed the pressure tester correctly (iaw the real FSM procedures) and tested the system properly following the real diagnostic charts in the real FSM. I mean really doing the tests the real way. With no "improvements" thrown in.

If you truly would like to get your car running, why not follow the advice of the engineers who designed the car for testing it? When it comes to these systems, they were as far from being Dorks about diagnostics about their systems as you can get. there is no shame in following the real procedures, in fact, there is some real genius in knowing when someone knew more than we do about a subject and relying on their professional expertise in order to achieve our goals as efficiently as possible. Get it running and enjoy it.

FWIW, the fuel pressure installation procedures and fuel pressure check as well as the fuel injector circuit check in the FSM should work just fine for your car. The test pressure values seem to have changed little, if at all over the years.

What have you got to lose at this point, except for maybe some excesses pride that seems to be the very thing that quite honestly appears to be the very thing that is keeping you from getting your car running.

Should you ever decide you would like to try testing your system correctly, I wish you success.
:cheers
I for one would be interested in those results. I have little interest in results obtained from made up or improper testing methodology as they do little to advance the process of determining what may be (or not be) wrong with your system.

If you think giving the real procedures an honest chance to work is not worth your time, then good luck with that too.
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snowfish
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I think you're doing a great job. :thumb I usually don't reply unless I have something to contribute. Maybe an occasional, "great job", but that's it. :type Here's how I see it. :news I would rather have quality comments, rather than "I've heard that someone said....", or "try a google search", or some speculative comments delivered as fact. The dialog, that you've received, appears to be quality. :hmm

Take a look at your views, and replys, for the time the project thread has been alive.
4400+ views
140 replys
coming up on a year old.

I've had 3 personal project threads
76 replies in a little over a year
403 replies in over 4 years
526 replies in close to 3 years

Seems nobody wants to talk to me either! :lol Leave, if that's what you want to do. ^o) You're a big boy.
I'd love to see your project get up, running, and purring like a kitten. I wish that I could help more. But I can't. Chin up, dig it, post lots of pictures, pictures always get replies, and carry on. :thumb
Just don't give us, the kid on the playground talk, nobody wants to play with me. :'( ;) :whistle :lol
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68custom


keep posting, you have to get that Metro on the road. others will profit from your experiences.
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Greywolf
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I will state first that I have been silent for a while because I have not been doing much, and a part of that is because when you have no wheels you've got to seek supplies through other means. Plus also other things have intruded into my "WANT 2 DO's"

Tha being said, in redesigning the fuel lines I chose both braided steel outer skin high pressure lines for the high pressure fuel feed lines - I also went with translucent blue POLYURETHANE as both low pressure fuel return lines, and also vacuum lines.

Traditionally vacuum lines are made of rubber, but polyurethane line line is more rigid and less prone to collapse - but I DO NOT KNOW if they are at risk in a high temperature engine compartment environment, that remains to be seen.

Shown below - what you are seeing:
Braided steel is the fuel delivery line from the in tank pump.
Blue Poly-U is low pressure returns.
ALL of the clamps are stainless steel - because of the corrosion resistance qualities of it.
What I thought was the cause of my higher than norm pressure problems is the check valve - shown in the center top with the orange end being the inlet side. It turned out to be fine.

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The true cause was a rubber line leading to it, that had some kind of obstruction in it, possibly from materiel breakdown (thus the change to poly)

I also wanted to be able to actually SEE FLOW in those lines if necessary later on.

The tank is now physically back in the car, and final connects will be made in the AM. I had to back away because I was hot, sweaty, filthy, annoyed, and knew that to do the WHOLE job the filter had to be removed and two short lengths of the new high pressure line installed so as to leave NOTHING to chance.

*Caps used for emphasis, not intended as hollering

** COOL TOOL Tip O' the Day: If you have a 7 1/2" circular saw, there are carbide blades for it that cut metal and especially in this case stainless steel braid quickly and easily. They come in three packs for less than ten bucks and turn your old wood slasher into a chop saw!
Edited by Greywolf, Aug 14 2015, 06:48 PM.
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Mythstae
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Thanks for the update, Greywolf - have been wondering where you've been! :)
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Greywolf
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Thanx fer thinking of me, a lot has happened since I was last here. Storms, busted trees, a new website where I was not only the first there but setup to be a moderator which quickly went to pieces - the site is doing great but I was never cut out to be a mod, something I kinda knew from the beginning.

I'm one of those unfortunates who's mind runs far faster than I can explain myself.

~ That don't cook a good stew, if ya know what I mean.
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MR Bill
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Good to see you back and a sulute to the Vet.
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Greywolf
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Got it buttoned up and back on the ground just in time for a thunderstorm. Waiting now for a break in the clouds to run a new pressure test.

6:00 PM, somethings still not right, may have to drop tank again to check fitting on it.

PSI@T-fitting on fuel inlet to T/B held at 14-15 PSI at first, then shot to 90+ again. Could be a bit of stuff got washed down the return line.
* I wonder if a filter on THAT would be a good idea.


Ya know what - there is something else I didn't think about until I cooled down and let random thoughts begin flowing again:
That fuel line I used on the return line was obviously (from the gauge reading) subjected to an unusually high pressure of 90 - 100 PSI, and it didn't fail or leak

The only reservation I have about it is what it's potential melting point might be.

Most plastics have a melt point of around 250 degrees, the reason I have been edgy about using it in the engine bay is because unless the temperatures in there are held well below that I can expect melted plastic. A plastic fuel line would be serious bad juju.

The body panels we have talked about have a melt point of more like 350 degrees, but the properties of polyurethane I have not yet looked up.


Now I will....
Edited by Greywolf, Aug 15 2015, 07:54 PM.
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Greywolf
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Extremely interesting! You should read this article on WIKI:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyurethane

Apparently most forms of polyurethane are resistant to heat...

I'll be looking into this more deeply
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