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The WOLF CUB (1993 Suzuki Swift/Metro)
Topic Started: Jun 25 2014, 03:15 PM (14,626 Views)
Greywolf
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I was thinking that too - it came back to me that I had that return line cleared out, but once it got some flow through it something must have washed down it and packed tight. I still like the idea of a filter on the T-body outlet.

I kind of wonder if 25 PSI is a bit high also, but the regulator has been replaced with new and there was no vacuum acting on it. So maybe at start-up it tends to run a higher pressure to richen the mixture

I'm not going to even think about the electronics until the fuel is right. One thing at a time.

My gut tells me do it now, but my bank statement says next month... :ashamed

The injector wasn't real expensive, there's plenty of them available and getting to it is simpler now. But that old fuel line could have enough stuff hidden in it to (copulate) lot's of things up.
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I for one fail to understand why you have spent months and months fiddling around with home made "tests" and "theories" when there are professionally written diagnostic procedures developed by the same engineers and factory maintenance professionals who designed and produced the system 25 years ago and following them would likely have identified any problem(s) in 5 minutes?

FWIW, to properly check system operation, the engine is not cranked. And the pump does not turn on "after it detects cranking" - it turns on when you turn the key on and turns off 3 seconds after it no longer detects cam rotation. And by not performing the real test procedures, its also very possible you are missing indications that would point to other system issues. I noticed your initial pump pressure appeared to be within the normal range, but it also appeared to not be holding pressure, and in fact was beginning to drop even as you turned the key to crank the engine. Which would lead to a potential problem with either the regulator, leakage, or the fuel pump itself.

And iirc, didn't you also install a different (non-spec) fuel pump in the system?

Maybe I missed it, but have you even once tried followed the factory procedures properly in order to diagnose any system abnormalities? What have you got to lose by using the real diagnostic procedure, other than the distinct possibility of putting this issue to rest within minutes and moving on to the next issue?
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myredvert
Oct 7 2015, 09:34 PM
I for one fail to understand why you have spent months and months fiddling around with home made "tests" and "theories" when there are professionally written diagnostic procedures developed by the same engineers and factory maintenance professionals who designed and produced the system 25 years ago and following them would likely have identified any problem(s) in 5 minutes?

FWIW, to properly check system operation, the engine is not cranked. And the pump does not turn on "after it detects cranking" - it turns on when you turn the key on and turns off 3 seconds after it no longer detects cam rotation. And by not performing the real test procedures, its also very possible you are missing indications that would point to other system issues. I noticed your initial pump pressure appeared to be within the normal range, but it also appeared to not be holding pressure, and in fact was beginning to drop even as you turned the key to crank the engine. Which would lead to a potential problem with either the regulator, leakage, or the fuel pump itself.

And iirc, didn't you also install a different (non-spec) fuel pump in the system?

Maybe I missed it, but have you even once tried followed the factory procedures properly in order to diagnose any system abnormalities? What have you got to lose by using the real diagnostic procedure, other than the distinct possibility of putting this issue to rest within minutes and moving on to the next issue?
I completely agree with you on this. I haven't added to this thread, and mean no disrespect to the op, but I think the op has created a bunch of unnecessary testing. It is fine to be inquisitive, and I even found some of the thought process to be semi-ingenious, but I'm saying this because I think the op has suffered enough turmoil through their struggles. However, this may be the case where fixing the thing is far secondary to the tinkering and the process.
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I haven't actually spent all that much time on it, since I knew going in the door that everything about this car was suspect, it had been deliberately trashed by the prior owner. So I spend a few hours or minutes on it here and there.

IF I HAD followed the book, then finding the metal return line from the engine bay back to the tank to be clear once, I would never have re-checked it.

A good bud of mine suggested using MEK on the lines to wash them out once and for all - but replacing them seems best.

*snip*
Edited by Greywolf, Oct 11 2015, 06:58 AM.
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Here we go again! :smackface Everyone here wants you to succeed. ^o) And in the shortest, least painful way. :drink If you don't like what is said, do it your way. :dunno

There is the Ignore button in every members profile options. :type If you would rather not see a reply, click the ignore button. :thumb Eventually you'll only get the answers that you want to hear. :tumbleweed

Now shake it off and let's see this thing run! :nfs :popcorn You claim to have the skills. :hmm Use them. :gamerz You can do it. :cheers
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Greywolf
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*DE-MaRVinated*
Edited by Greywolf, Oct 11 2015, 04:46 PM.
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We have an ignore button? :hmm

Ohhhh
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aaronvincent
Oct 9 2015, 06:08 PM
We have an ignore button? :hmm

Ohhhh
Click on the members name
Click profile options
Click ignore member
You will no longer see any of their posts unless someone else quotes them
Not obvious, but it is easy
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Mr Mojo Risin'

None of you will ever hear from me again :D



Jk
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Greywolf
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The bolt size and thread pitch for the tank mount bolts I have confirmed: It's an M8

I thot at first it was different from a common M8 - 1.25, so I sent for an off-size, M8 - 1.00

The M8 - 1.25 (wherein the size is M8, the pitch is 1.25) turned out to be the accurate match

Two sources of fasteners have turned out to be very helpful and easy to work with online, one is:
www.clipsandfasteners.com

The other is fastenall

The reason I mention that is because one was missing, someone had that tank out before. THAT tells me they thought it was best to just OFF the whole wretched mess, and in turn that is why I take my time with it and don't really (or didn't) care much about taking a lot of time in between moves on it. A skunk is a creature you want to be sure you are friends with before you try to pet it

*snip*

The line has been traced and removed. I didn't take vids of the "Line Assembly" which was kind of definitely put in the car before the trans and engine - there is no easy way to work with it after those spaces are filled. There is a series of cover plates removable with a 10mm socket that protect it/them from rock damage. The bad part is that they are grouped together with brackets that pretty much make it a one piece assembly and the underhood end is a nightmare to fish in and out.

Consequently the new line WILL take advantage of the underbody protection plates, but in the engine bay it will be fished through a bit differently.


There are "Grouping Bars" that hold all the lines together that I had to pretty much destroy in the process of separating out the line I was after. This matters little, there are many ways to collect lines together or hold them in place. That's not a big deal, but it is not by the "BOOK".

George Barris was not by the book either, nor was big daddy Ed Roth.

From here on out if "Marvin the Martian" decides to try to stir up trouble I will do my best to totally ignore him and any of his by the book buddies.
Edited by Greywolf, Oct 11 2015, 04:44 PM.
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Again, let's see this baby run Wolf! :thumb :gamerz :popcorn There's more folks pulling for you than you think! :cheers
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Yeah, I know. Mythstea, and others - but it brings me down so much and jacks my BP when that twerp butts in that I think it's better for my own health to only report back when I have positive results.

I found a bad plugged line on the twin fuel supply and return rail on top of the tank today, and ran a new line that is completely "NOT BY THE BOOK" because the book would say go buy a new one. I bet Marvin the Martian would have a field day with it - and I just don't need it. I CAN'T deal with it, that creep just wants to self aggrandize.

I expect the factory manual would say "replace assembly" and that part is likely no longer made, or if available hugely expensive. The lines are welded onto supports along it, but that doesn't mean you can't run a new line next to it. Which I did....

I decided not to post that video here because of MaRVin. One of the problems is that I had no diagrams listing which lines are which - so I had it torn down front to back before I saw what was going where.

Steel lines are different from wires - they are not color coded

I can already hear the bastard:
"If you had a real manual you would have known..." *SNIP*

Go read a manual about how to make friends or at least shut the fukk up!

I'm trying to build a car, not impress anyone.

And when you have a Haynes manual on one side of you, a Chiltons on the other - the choice is to chuck the dice and have another beer...


On days when I feel good, and I see something I had not thought was important I go look at it again. Insights come that way.

But I actually want to save some cash for a Festiva or Ford Fiesta.

Believe it or not, a ford EXP or a Thames Anglia really attracts me


And the fukken manuals are far less expensive than Japanese ones that are out of print


If you want to see what I did today you'll have to hunt down my youtube page


Tears of grease
Gas and oil
The frustration of those
Who bust their knuckles
To make things run right


~Just another Greaser
Edited by Greywolf, Oct 13 2015, 08:10 PM.
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Don't be a "Richard"

Seriously!! :shake :shake

Stop worrying about someone else on this forum trying to give you advice, and fix your car!!
For Christ's sake, you brag that you've worked on more cars than anyone on this forum, but yet you still can't get it running.
Get your shit together, and fix the damn thing!!
And before you get the chance, I won't fuck off or go away!!
I have been reading this thread since it started, and your attitude towards people on this forum is beyond ridiculous.
I have been a member on this forum since the beginning, and have seen people like you come and go. (mostly go!!)
Nobody on this forum gives a rats ass if you like to do things "a little different", and like to form your own opinion on things because you "like to figure out how things work"
The thing that you fail to get here, is that you are posting on a forum that gives people advice on how to fix their Metro. Obviously you've missed this part about our forum, so if you don't want anybody's help, find a different forum.

Anxiously awaiting your response on what an asshole, hack, or whatever other name you can come up with for me!!
:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn

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Greywolf
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That's good advice.

I'M a DICK

YOU are a DICK.....



We all have our own ideas



Why am I dicking around?




But I also wonder why I am here, and aside from a battery tray I have got nothing from here in exchange.

Yet on the other hand I have got encouragement in spite of twerps who seem to be "ANTI-PROGRESS" and intend to undermine what I am trying to do.....




That's interesting, and I will think about it. Why do you tolerate assholes here?


If you are suggesting I leave, I may well take that seriously.

(being honest here)


I think I should just leave - but what is a geo metro person?

Someone who made their own choices and does not necessarily agree with everyone else.....


Ridiculous is an interesting concept. What it is to one is not to another...

And some persue it for the sake of it, how far can we go?

Frankly - if I told you specifically to "FUCK OFF" what does that mean?
It's a ludicrous concept...

Taken literally it means what?



I have to giggle, just thinking about the perturbations it might mean
Edited by Greywolf, Oct 13 2015, 08:43 PM.
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OK, stop whining like a baby! :smackface You have the tools needed to succeed, many folks that want to help, the ability to ignore who annoys you, and the alleged skills to complete the task. :news Another news flash....there are a number of members that know your car like the back of their hand. ^o) They have been silent because of your attitude. B-) Your car could be running in less than a week. :gamerz You have burned that bridge long ago. :stoner Knock off the school yard playground crap , or nobody will want to play with you. :shake Then you'll just have to play with yourself. :coffee
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