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The WOLF CUB (1993 Suzuki Swift/Metro)
Topic Started: Jun 25 2014, 03:15 PM (14,625 Views)
68custom


the way I figure it is that there are many different ways to arrive at the same solution. the only person you have to please is yourself. I see how you approach things and that you extensively analyze the problems and the fixes. it works for you, that is all that matters! keep on keeping on..
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Fuel supply/return gripe is closed now.

Everything re-attached it reads 28PSI at the test Tee fitting, and the spec I have for it is "Between 25 and 33 PSI".

Done.

*OH: a weird thing. The bolt on the tank that I thought was broken off turned out to never have been there. There's a boss under the body where a bolt hole should be, there's a tab on the edge of the tank with a bolt hole in it, but there is no threaded hole in that area under the car. Its the side the exhaust pipe is routed to (P-side front edge of tank). I even scraped off a layer of plastic stuff and paint looking for a filled hole or some such, but that spot has never had a hole drilled or tapped in it. The front of the tank looks like it should have two bolts, for a total of five, but there's only four.

Next up is the injector signal. I read about 3 Ohms through the injector, just checking to make sure it didn't get fried by jumpering it to check for spray. FI resistor side of the connector gets 12VDC, the ECM flashes code 12. I'm going to clean the ground connections for the ECM first thing.

I've seen all kinds of strange signal death on RV's caused by bad grounds, That was recommended in a book, so was checking the FI return pin on the ECM for continuity.

I wish I knew of some good stuff to put on the connectors that would help make clean contacts. NASA used to use a stuff called "Cramoline" I think I'll look that up.

~Follow on: I turned up a reference to this stuff:

http://www.amazon.com/DeoxITGOLD-Liquid-Brush-Applicator-Conditioner/dp/B0015A7CYG/ref=sr_1_2/176-2054896-4664730?ie=UTF8&qid=1444947321&sr=8-2&keywords=caig+pro+gold
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Greywolf
Oct 15 2015, 05:00 PM
Fuel supply/return gripe is closed now.

Everything re-attached it reads 28PSI at the test Tee fitting, and the spec I have for it is "Between 25 and 33 PSI".

Done.

*OH: a weird thing. The bolt on the tank that I thought was broken off turned out to never have been there. There's a boss under the body where a bolt hole should be, there's a tab on the edge of the tank with a bolt hole in it, but there is no threaded hole in that area under the car. Its the side the exhaust pipe is routed to (P-side front edge of tank). I even scraped off a layer of plastic stuff and paint looking for a filled hole or some such, but that spot has never had a hole drilled or tapped in it. The front of the tank looks like it should have two bolts, for a total of five, but there's only four.

Next up is the injector signal. I read about 3 Ohms through the injector, just checking to make sure it didn't get fried by jumpering it to check for spray. FI resistor side of the connector gets 12VDC, the ECM flashes code 12. I'm going to clean the ground connections for the ECM first thing.

I've seen all kinds of strange signal death on RV's caused by bad grounds, That was recommended in a book, so was checking the FI return pin on the ECM for continuity.

I wish I knew of some good stuff to put on the connectors that would help make clean contacts. NASA used to use a stuff called "Cramoline" I think I'll look that up.

~Follow on: I turned up a reference to this stuff:

http://www.amazon.com/DeoxITGOLD-Liquid-Brush-Applicator-Conditioner/dp/B0015A7CYG/ref=sr_1_2/176-2054896-4664730?ie=UTF8&qid=1444947321&sr=8-2&keywords=caig+pro+gold
4 bolts hold the tank inplace, not 5. Don't worry about it. It's just another error in the fsm.

The fsm was designed to be a reference manual for trained mechanics who have been to school for this line of work.
You go to a technical school and learn how everything works. You are taught many ways to trouble shoot a problem and get to the end result. You may be many miles from a shop and with out a anticipated tool and you are taught alternative methods to trouble shoot. If you find the problem, you have made no mistake.

The Fsm was not designed as a tool for airplane pilots to bully people around on car repair forums.
This forum was created as a place for people to help each other out. It was not created for people to tell other people to figure it out them self.

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for lifetime, tell the man to figure it out himself........and he will likely die of starvation"





Keep up the good work greywolf
When your done, you will be proud!
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I advocate getting people the information to help them solve their problems. One way or another. However 99% of the time the most efficient way to diagnosis something is following the FSM book for auto work. When I am fairly certain that I have specific information that will help someone solve their problem I will give them that information directly. Yes, I agree with your stated purpose for this forum and other forums and we should probably give the information in a format that suites the ability and understanding of the person asking the question. However, the FSM when written correctly takes most of the guess work, and the lengthy process of extensive troubleshooting out of the equation. You can use your own reasoning skills to come up with a solution (including the right solution), sometimes this gets many people off course or even a condition in which they have messed things up worse than they started. When the book is written correctly it is probably in many ways less suited to a mechanic and more suited to an engineer. Not that one can't be one and the same, or that there is an intellectual prowess of one over the other. The language of Greywolf indicates in my opinion that he never was seeking help to solve his problem. Therefore regardless of the original condition of the vehicle, or what method Greywolf uses, this thread for him in my opinion is to engage in communication with others. I would reason that there is a certain level of enjoyment he gets from seeing the responses to his own comments.
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Members asking for help generally post in the tech sections. Members wanting to share the experience of what they are doing usually use the project forum. Those aren't hard and fast rules, and when someone seems to go off the rails in any section someone will usually try to get them back on track. That being said, respecting other members would include not providing advice when they have specifically asked for none to be given.
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Get ready for a surprise - I DROVE IT TODAY!!!!



~Automatic transaxle shifts right in all ranges
~"HANDS OFF" brake check: It tracked in a straight line
~The oil pressure reads good
~Steering was smooth and tight
~It sucked in a full quantity of 50/50 anti-freeze, and flow back looks good
~There was a noise from the right rear like something was rubbing or a bearing was in bad shape
~Total test run time was about 30 minutes


I think the ECM connector needs a major cleaning.

From what I know about intermittent connectors after years of tinkering with amplifiers and wiring harnesses, yes. If the connector made that big a difference, after a while the junk in it could shut it down. No big -

Tomorrow I'll take another look at it all, but I mean DANG!!!!

How was that?


It needs to be 100% reliable before I go anywhere far, but that right there proves that IT RUNS!

Quoting Howard Hughes regarding the Spruce goose:
"I'll be damned, the son of a bitch WILL fly..."



Now, if you picked up a used car that somebody else got solely as a parts dog, and found out that it had a five pound bag of sugar dumped into a ten gallon gas tank in it: What would you have done? Robbed it? Scrapped it? Would you ever in your wildest dreams have imagined that it could ever run again?

I dunno what it is with me, I have a problem turning away stray dogs and doomed vehicles...





IT IS TIME TO PAINT THE VALVE COVER!!! :thumb


PS: There is no letter "E" in SOLAR, you might want to fix that



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vav_kibkiPk&feature=player_embedded

How does your brain remember things?
I dunno if I care, just saying - but how we use it is the same....

And that is how we make sense of things



(In theory)
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Greywolf
Oct 18 2015, 06:48 PM
PS: There is no letter "E" in SOLAR, you might want to fix that
It's presumably intentional.
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Stubby79
Oct 19 2015, 02:26 AM
Greywolf
Oct 18 2015, 06:48 PM
PS: There is no letter "E" in SOLAR, you might want to fix that
It's presumably intentional.
It is my last name! You can trace it down with the same spelling for over a thousand years.

Good job getting the car running.
Edited by solerpower, Oct 19 2015, 07:31 AM.
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Great job, Wolf! :rocker You're making some good progress. :cheers
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solerpower
Oct 19 2015, 07:28 AM
Stubby79
Oct 19 2015, 02:26 AM
Greywolf
Oct 18 2015, 06:48 PM
PS: There is no letter "E" in SOLAR, you might want to fix that
It's presumably intentional.
It is my last name! You can trace it down with the same spelling for over a thousand years.

Good job getting the car running.
Ah! That esplains it.

I'm looking it over based on what I saw and heard yesterday. I want to know what was making noise in the back - if it was RWD I'd swear it had an axle problem. I think the brakes deserve a full inspection.

Oil and anti-freeze look fine. No mixing, and no loss.

Thinking about what to use for now to clean those connections
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Oct 19 2015, 02:02 PM
I'm looking it over based on what I saw and heard yesterday. I want to know what was making noise in the back - if it was RWD I'd swear it had an axle problem. I think the brakes deserve a full inspection.
Jack up the back end, release the parking brake, and give each wheel a spin. They should spin and spin and spin freely...if they don't, and the brake isn't dragging, the bearing is shot.
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Congrats on the run.
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All is not yet Smurfy on the western front - more bad news turned up today.

Edited by Greywolf, Oct 20 2015, 04:26 PM.
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68custom


don't they have problems with the woodruff keys and the bolt/bolts sheering of or something like that? I have seen a few guys rig them with a couple of welds. not an endorsement of welding BTW.
Edited by 68custom, Oct 21 2015, 09:50 AM.
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68custom
Oct 21 2015, 09:50 AM
don't they have problems with the woodruff keys and the bolt/bolts sheering of or something like that? I have seen a few guys rig them with a couple of welds. not an endorsement of welding BTW.
Should only happen if someone forgets to tighten down the crank pulley/timing gear bolt properly, then drives with it like that.
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