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The WOLF CUB (1993 Suzuki Swift/Metro)
Topic Started: Jun 25 2014, 03:15 PM (14,623 Views)
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Greywolf
Jan 18 2016, 10:08 PM
(Wow, bud - that's brand new info to me. But then - I don't let transmission guys do tune ups, I don't have machinists do assembly. They are different schools of effort.)

(There's at least one guy who was working out of his garage at home, but I think he quit it over health issues, hassles and drama. David Grey I think, and he was a for real machinist, just retired and couldn't leave it alone.)

Walkers is not only a machinist but his business name is Walkers engine service. Engines is what he does.

The guy you are thinking of who worked out of his home is likely Richard Grey. Walkers used to have a guy named Richard Grey who worked there that I heard done some work out of his home after leaving Walkers. I think Grey was pretty straightforward but I never met him, only heard of him. He was not at Walkers when I myself had my bad experience. My experience was with Sandy the old man who owns the business and his son.

Yeah if you do run across anyone else in the business I would be interested in hearing of them.
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It is Richard, I think. But I heard he had a heart attack a year or two ago and doesn't do anything much but be happy these days.
(Doctors orders)

I hope you're ready for snow - MWN is calling for "At times heavy" tonight through tomorrow.
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Need an update Wolf man. :-)
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We have warm weather rolling in from the gulf, the coldest day on average is 10JAN every year, but snow and rotten weather is always a thing February is notorious for.

I think I want to take apart as much as I can down to the block, but if the cam is seized it would be worth it to try to turn it while it's assembled.

If it's tight what I figure is to break it loose before an in-car tear down, if it can't be done who knows...
Be a right beast to take the cam out if it's melted together.

If it doesn't rain, and I can get out there (other projects permitting) we'll see.

~I can always rip the head off and let a machine shop deal with it, but if it's bad I bet they just tell me I need a new head.

SO it stands to reason that if I can do that myself I'll be better off.

There was a very small dribble of oil in the head top - but nothing like I would expect if the oil system was doing what it should. So there is some hope - just not much. I'm guessing spun cam bearings

The smart move is to spray a mass quantity of PB Blaster all over the damned thing...

But not until I know it's stuck. I have to know that's the problem before I mask it with lubricant.

PRAY FOR MY KNUCKLES - the pulleys are hard to get to with wrenches

*And I've got to get the belt off to see how the cam turns


Sound like the right way?


*If that damn thing seized, a new head may be the only way. I cannot let that be the end of it.


PEACE
~Wolfie
Edited by Greywolf, Feb 3 2016, 11:17 PM.
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Just to note, there are no cam bearings to spin.
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Oh great - that means if the cam ran dry the head is wrecked

I can't imagine a cam set up that way - like a BIC LIGHTER head

Use it until it craps, then throw it away

2-18-2016: Actually, when I think about it that is exactly the way four-across Honda Goldwing engines were made, before they created the horizontally opposed four and six cylinder bikes.
Edited by Greywolf, Feb 18 2016, 07:51 PM.
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Waiting for a hand held impact tool to remove the rocker shafts, should be here tomorrow. It's hard to motivate, but I'm taking apart a bit at a time.

I really didn't want to pull the head off before lifting the engine out because I wanted to see how the cam turned. But if the cam journals are trashed (see above) the head may be junk anyway. It will be really interesting to hear what Harris Quon has to say about it - I think I better call their shop tomorrow.

* If the cam does turn easily, something truly weird is going on with this machine.

Weather is nice and there are no mosquitos yet, so I'm going to get out there and get on it even if I only do a bit at a time.
Besides ~ a tax refund is a beautiful thing...

21FEB - Stuck screws came out perfectly with three taps of the mallet. I'm after the pulleys and timing cover.
Edited by Greywolf, Feb 21 2016, 02:42 AM.
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"OFF with it's HEAD!!!"



And the good news is - the cam can still be turned with a wrench.

I still won't know just how bad it is until I take it all the way down and look at the journals, but I already know there HAS to be some scoring, it felt like a bad nasty brake disc being rotated.
Edited by Greywolf, Mar 5 2016, 07:03 PM.
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Thanks for the update... hang in there
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The more I look at it - I don't see any good way to separate the transaxle from the engine in the car. There just doesn't look like there's enough room from side to side. I thought about undoing the P-side mount to lower the engine enough to shoot the crank pulley with an impact gun, but that still only leaves an inch or less.

I don't think the chassis is bent on that side either - it's just very tight. I don't think I have ever dealt with a machine that was packed in so small a space before.
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See: http://geometroforum.com/topic/5103491/9/#new
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Yeah - I was looking at that. The header on it caught my attention at once, because I was looking around online one night and saw an ad for 1.3L headers, but the price nearly choked me.

I still have few clues about how I'm going to pull this thing, but I guess I'll just have to find a way to snake my cherry picker out of the shop past the Ranger truck parked in front of it. I may have to drop everything and just MOVE THE STUPID TRUCK...

I wish I had the Swift in the garage, and ya know what? That sounds like what I ought to move towards, it would sure solve a lot of "NOT NICE" working conditions. It beats having the cherry picker dig it's little metal wheels into a gravel driveway, ya feel me?

I think it's time to clean out the garage and do it right, how long have I been bitching about not having a good place to work?

~Even if I have to have a yardsale to get rid of old parts.


I wonder a lot now about what it means, and what it takes to "LEARN" these cars. They are different from other cars I have wrenched on. It's almost an entirely different philosophy of repair - I bet it gets a load easier once you understand what the easy way is.

* I still haven't found that yet

I'm used to cars and trucks that had a lot of room for fingers hands and tools around the engine bay, and there just isn't in this (at least not for MY wrench manglers).

It looks intended from the word go to pull and install as a single unit, but then again - why isn't there a main electrical disconnect for all the wires? You have to know where things are at frankly intimately to get it wired and tubed right...

I stared at the water pump feed tube for a while when I realized what they (Suzuki) did. I've never seen a thing like that before, and was amazed. It must have an O-Ring seal or be press-fitted, but I mean WOW!!! :news

An old fashioned plumber would love this car to tears!

*It sure doesn't look "ROAD REPAIR" friendly


DAMMIT!

I just got off the phone with the machinist at Harris Quon's shop, and that head isn't rebuildable at all.

ALSO: He told me that they can do the cylinder bores, but they aren't set up with a machine to align bore the crank journals, or to turn the crank if it is needed. The equipment just costs too much, and they never managed to lay their hands on it.

He did say (Name was Bobby, if that rings a bell with anyone in the Memphis TN area) that a lot of REMAN heads may be out there, but the smart money would be to go with a good used head from somewhere, and he had HEARD OF YOU GUYS!!! :thumb & said you were one of the best.

The bottom line is I'm looking for a working head, or a better engine - and that's spelled G13B if I can find a way to go collect one.... :-/

So now I'm open to suggestions.


*Yeah I know: "FINALLY!!!"

~Ever feel like you've been beat to death by circumstances beyond your control?

Edited by Greywolf, Mar 7 2016, 03:13 PM.
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It's an O ring.
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Hey... Thanks fer talking to me, I know I've been a prick at times.


OKAY (deep breath)

What should I do? I think the car itself has possibilities, I got past the hidden stuff. The body isn't that bad....

What is the BEST engine to drop into it, what ought I to expect to shell out, and I see no reason to keep an automatic transaxle in it - unless the linkage would be a nightmare.

I PROMISE I'm LISTENING NOW


All of my life I have been seriously bad at asking for help, I just am.


Maybe I should just do a complete ripout and look for some other car for the time being. But THIS ONE IS MINE - I have way more emotional commitment to it than a rational person should. I'm never going to let it go, not at this point. I drove it once, and want to drive it again.

Just not for a half an hour - I want to take it down the long six laners


"All Gods large and small grant me the joss to make this one work"
Edited by Greywolf, Mar 7 2016, 03:25 PM.
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What was wrong with the head? Why is it not rebuildable? Unless the guides and seats are worn slap out or the head is warped, I would maybe consider lapping me in some new valves and replace the valve seals and go with it. Down and dirty. Do the work yourself.
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