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| Cobb | Aug 23 2014, 12:02 PM Post #1 |
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I know honda has a few recalls or tech bulletins in regards to the v6 burning too much oil. I also see issues with the 4 cylinder. Seems the 4 cylinder issue is fixed with replacing the pistons and rings for the civic si and a few others. For the older v6 some of the issue is fixed with valve seals, others with a software update. Seems the VCM is lugging the engine too much when it shuts down the cylinders to save fuel and causes more consumption. I have seen some complaints about the newer insight on a few spots online, but cant find a recall. Some say replacing the pcv valve fixes it. Others use heavier oil 5w20 vs 0w20. I have over 100 k miles, but no issues. Of course I work the engine vs just baby it. It seems those who baby it are having the issue and its a sudden issue. They go from no oil consumption in ten thousand miles to burning a qt in a thousand miles. Thanks. |
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| Cobrajet25 | Aug 23 2014, 06:27 PM Post #2 |
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Every Honda I have ever owned has drank oil once it gets some miles on it. It's just what they do. To me, excessive oil consumption starting at about 100k is just "a Honda thing". |
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| Cobb | Aug 23 2014, 08:06 PM Post #3 |
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Well, the way some guys drive them I am not surprised. Ive seen guys who drive exclusively in the vtec power band and others who bounce it off the rev limiter. This seems like something breaks inside or on the engine and over nite you start to chug oil like no ones business. Im guessing its the pcv valve since its low on the left side of the engine. One guy replaced his and said it helped, but I cant find any more information. Id like to be on top of this vs seeing the oil symbol light up my on dash and find out Im out of oil.
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| Car Nut | Aug 24 2014, 12:00 AM Post #4 |
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So is your Insight eating oil now? |
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| Cobrajet25 | Aug 24 2014, 07:40 AM Post #5 |
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I agree about the ones that have been railed on. They guzzle oil, and have poor compression to match. But even older, old lady-owned, low mileage Hondas tend to use oil. They don't leak it, and you won't see blue clouds every time they take off from a stop sign. They just seem to...use it somehow? |
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| Cobb | Aug 24 2014, 09:15 PM Post #6 |
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| Cobb | Aug 24 2014, 09:16 PM Post #7 |
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Surprisingly not, but I do drive in sport mode and shift at 6800 rpms.
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| Freeman | Aug 25 2014, 05:44 AM Post #8 |
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My last Honda motor leaked some oil from the distributor. Not even enough to worry about between oil changes. That was at 150-160k. I think the new stuff may be different though. I've never really delved outside of the pre 2000 Honda world. |
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| robertino | Aug 25 2014, 03:19 PM Post #9 |
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I'm a Factory Honda Tech, but I'm not sure what's the problem you are experiencing. Given the fact that your car has 100k I'd say that your valve seals are something to maybe look at. Does it smoke from the tail pipe when you first start it up and then goes away or do you see a little bit of gray all the time? A little bit of oil burned (1qt) for 5k miles I'd say don't worry it's normal. Now if we're talking 2-3 qt ! then yea its coming out of somewhere . Funny you should mention the VCM...because essentially when that system is active you are basically driving a big ass 3cyl METRO
Edited by robertino, Aug 25 2014, 03:23 PM.
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| Cobb | Aug 25 2014, 10:24 PM Post #10 |
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No, I do not have oil consumption problems, yet. Im just anal about care for my car and want to be as preventative as possible. Here are some articles on what I am talking about. So, the VCM does make it a 1 cylinder or 3 cylinder? Once warmmed up its idle sounds like a singer sewing machine vs a 4 banger. I believe the i-vtec I have opens the valves part way, fully or none at all. Others say it runs a single cylinder or 3 cylinders like the civic vtec. http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/Insight/2012/engine/excessive_oil_consumption.shtml http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2971261 "Hey all. I know there's been a ton of threads on oil consumption on these cars with the 4 cyl. engines, but this is a bit different. A co-worker was having oil consumption problems on his 4 cyl 5 sp coupe that was still under warranty. He had it into the dealer 4 times while they monitored it. They were unfamiliar with this issue (as it has been stated many times, it's not on many cars and there is no TSB.) The service tech on one of these visits said it might need a software update, which made no sense to me. The dealer ended up confirmed it was consuming too much oil and called HOA on the issue. The tech was surprised that Honda knew about the problem and gave him the fix right off the bat. He picked the car up and was told the pistons were replaced and a software update was applied. Now, I found a fantastic thread on here and another forum about the oil control rings being installed improperly (wish I could give credit, I didn't save the links.) So, I'm assuming the pistons were replaced as an assembly due to that, instead of just replacing the rings (unless someone has a different theory.) But what would a software update have anything to due with oil consumption? I'm pretty sure it doesn't, so I'm just curious why they'd bother doing it. Any insight you guys have would be great, because it's been bothering me. Most with this condition have been out of warranty, so I couldn't find any information about a dealer fix." http://www.hondaproblems.com/problems/excessive-oil-consumption.shtml |
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| Freeman | Aug 26 2014, 05:32 AM Post #11 |
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Software update could change timing maps and start up conditions. There is a ton of craziness that goes into the software. It was probably just putting excess stress on a point (piston ring) over time and there isn't a good way to 'quickly' test that in a factory. So it was probably added to their 'extended warranty' list. |
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| High MX | Aug 26 2014, 05:42 AM Post #12 |
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I have a 2010 Accord EX-L V6 and it randomly consumes oil. I have gone thousands of miles with little oil consumption and then for some undiscovered reason it will use about a quart of oil every thousand miles. |
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| Cobb | Aug 26 2014, 04:18 PM Post #13 |
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Visited the honda dealer today. They just were aware of the v6 issue, nothing else. Seems the vcm lugs the engine if you take it easy and it burns more oil. If you drive more normal or agressive it doesnt lug the engine.
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| BillHoo | Aug 27 2014, 01:20 PM Post #14 |
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Looks like you need to join the Honda Insight Forum. http://www.insightcentral.net/forums/ The site admin is a nice guy and goes by the handle - JackiSoulPatch. You can also count on asking advice of longtime posters there - Cornn, MustangRocket, TurboGH, Car Fanatic, and BillWhat Edited by BillHoo, Aug 27 2014, 01:21 PM.
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| Coche Blanco | Aug 27 2014, 01:27 PM Post #15 |
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hmmmm Edited by Coche Blanco, Aug 27 2014, 01:27 PM.
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