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California Metros to increase in value
Topic Started: Aug 28 2014, 12:36 PM (3,282 Views)
Cubey
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happydriver
Aug 30 2014, 12:56 PM
How about everyone ignore all of cubeys posts and no one reply to him. That way we fix the problem ourselves. :rocker Mythstae will come browsing to break up the mess created soon.
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Cobrajet25
Aug 30 2014, 07:19 AM
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Aug 29 2014, 10:24 PM


First of all: It's not a scam. They actually produce goods and energy from the goods they produce. It also creates jobs to install and maintain the infrastructure.

Second of all: SO WHAT IF THEY MAKE MONEY???

It's not like the oil, coal and nuclear aren't making a crapload of money! Isn't our economy *supposed* to be FREE ENTERPRISE where if something people prefer comes along, the public is allowed to pick what they want?

Seattle is full of people spouting snarky, sanctimonious, cliched, conspiracy-theorizing, condescending, anti-capitalist, sophomoric pinko bullshit
What part of what I said is "conspiracy-theorizing"?
What part of what I said is "anti-capitalist"?

Please explain. No really... I want to hear your thoughts about this.

I could have swore what I expressed was in FAVOR of true capitalism. No playing favoritism. That means no draconian laws meant to impede commerce.. such as: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/21/oklahoma-to-charge-customers-who-install-their-own-solar-power-panels-wind/
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happydriver
Aug 30 2014, 12:56 PM
How about everyone ignore all of cubeys posts and no one reply to him. That way we fix the problem ourselves. :rocker Mythstae will come browsing to break up the mess created soon.
great idea
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Cobrajet25
Aug 30 2014, 07:19 AM
Anyone who goes into the election booth, pulls the lever for Democrats, and expects anything OTHER than higher taxes is a certifiable moron. Raising taxes is all Democrats know how to do to solve any problem. Keep electing them, it'll keep happening.
Yeah because republicans never raise taxes, right?


Taxes: What people forget about Reagan
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/
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As a result of the 1981 and 1986 bills, the top income tax rate was slashed from 70% to 28%.

Despite the aggressive tax cutting, Reagan couldn't ignore the budget deficit, which was burgeoning.

After Reagan's first year in office, the annual deficit was 2.6% of gross domestic product. But it hit a high of 6% in 1983, stayed in the 5% range for the next three years, and fell to 3.1% by 1988. (By comparison, this year it's projected to be 9% but is expected to drop considerably thereafter.)

So, despite his public opposition to higher taxes, Reagan ended up signing off on several measures intended to raise more revenue.

Reagan was certainly a tax cutter legislatively, emotionally and ideologically. But for a variety of political reasons, it was hard for him to ignore the cost of his tax cuts," said tax historian Joseph Thorndike.
Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime," Thorndike said.




George H.W. Bush Honored For Reversal On 'No New Taxes' Promise
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/04/george-hw-bush-honor_n_5264140.html
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In September 1990, two years into George H.W. Bush's first term, the United States was saddled with a $200 billion budget deficit. Months of partisan wrangling over possible tax increases and spending cuts had ended in a stalemate.

Despite the potential political backlash, Bush announced a compromise with congressional Democrats that would cut $500 billion from the deficit in five years, in part by raising "luxury taxes" on items including yachts and pricey cars, among other tax hikes.



...are you not noticing a trend with cutting taxes? THE DEFICIT. Every time taxes are cut, the deficit balloons. It's pretty simple really. If you have bills to pay but stop bringing in the money to pay for it, you go into debt. Slashing programs does not help anyone except those at the top benefiting from low taxes. Everyone else gets screwed. Roads don't get repaired, schools get over crowded, police depts get over worked and poverty hits 99% of the population which is where we are now.
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t3ragtop
Aug 30 2014, 11:52 AM
who is john galt?
This. :thumb
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This is my last post in this thread. It does seem that people are gradually beginning to see the truth. And Cubey....you seem like an intelligent (however misguided person) Might I suggest you keep an open mind. As for the EPA becoming a monster try this: Go to Google and type in "EPA out of Control". You will find multiple pages of links, from dozens of sources. Outrageous lawsuits that have NOTHING to do with what they were originally created for. Take your head out of the sand.....admitting you are wrong is good for the soul and buillds character.
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Rondawg
Aug 30 2014, 02:23 PM
This is my last post in this thread. It does seem that people are gradually beginning to see the truth. And Cubey....you seem like an intelligent (however misguided person) Might I suggest you keep an open mind. As for the EPA becoming a monster try this: Go to Google and type in "EPA out of Control". You will find multiple pages of links, from dozens of sources. Outrageous lawsuits that have NOTHING to do with what they were originally created for. Take your head out of the sand.....admitting you are wrong is good for the soul and buillds character.
I did as you requested. I did a search. It's all op-ed online articles, a facebook group and general right wing insnane ranting and raving over things that don't exist.

One op-ed article goes so far as bashing Nixon even starting the EPA: "Thank you Richard Nixon: you left us a heck of a legacy on this one."

This one goes into some insane racist rant about Wyoming Indian tribes: http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/17427-obama-epa-hands-control-over-wyoming-city-to-indian-tribes

They are screaming about "private lands" being "stolen" from whites to be given to people of native origin. I haven't done enough digging to COMPLETELY discredit the insane ranting of the article but I think I've proved it well enough to be nothing more than far right wing psychotic delusions.

The irony is they are screaming that it's all the EPA, UN and Obama causing the trouble as part of "Agenda 21" (mentioned in the article above) I did some digging and found this:


Creation (republicans in bold):
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The United States is a signatory country to Agenda 21, but because Agenda 21 is a legally non-binding statement of intent and not a treaty, the United States Senate was not required to hold a formal debate or vote on it. It is therefore not considered to be law under Article Six of the United States Constitution. President George Bush was one of the 178 heads of government who signed the final text of the agreement at the Earth Summit in 1992, and in the same year Representatives Nancy Pelosi, Eliot Engel and William Broomfield spoke in support of United States House of Representatives Concurrent Resolution 353, supporting implementation of Agenda 21 in the United States.


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During the last decade, opposition to Agenda 21 has increased within the United States at the local, state, and federal levels.[18] The Republican National Committee has adopted a resolution opposing Agenda 21, and the Republican Party platform stated that "We strongly reject the U.N. Agenda 21 as erosive of American sovereignty."


Take note: The RNC, a generic body of hundreds, if not thousands of people, is who complained about it. Frankly it's a worthless source of opposition to even go by, but I figured I'd show it anyway. Take it how you wish.

It's just business as usual for the Republican party. Support the creation of something and take credit for it. When they get sick of it a few decades later, they can scream and point fingers, blaming the Democrats entirely for it.

EDIT: Admitting one is wrong when they are not is asinine. It's embraces ignorance which is so prevalent in the United States these days.. I refuse to submit to stupidity.
Edited by Cubey, Aug 30 2014, 02:52 PM.
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How about we all share some bacon and sing kumbaya? I hear it's impossible for a discussion about the wonders and goodness of bacon to degrade into either a political or religious argument.
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I'm sure my guess is accurate that you didn't read much of anything in this thread. Your silly graphics don't really contribute to the discussion in any way.
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myredvert
Aug 30 2014, 04:08 PM
How about we all share some bacon and sing kumbaya? I hear it's impossible for a discussion about the wonders and goodness of bacon to degrade into either a political or religious argument.
I've been vegetarian since I was 16. :lol

That is why I stayed out of the actual "bacon vs kale" aspect of that other thread. I suppose I *could* have gone all PETA about it, but I didn't. Nor am I going to.
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Im gonna start a new thread about this oldman. Wont you follow me.
Edited by happydriver, Aug 30 2014, 07:23 PM.
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Cubey
Aug 30 2014, 12:42 PM
Cobrajet25
Aug 30 2014, 07:19 AM
We will use fossil fuels until we run out of them. Period. Crippling our economy in an idiotic attempt to make that happen slower is going to cause more problems than it solves.
Here's a question for you: What happens then?

Let's say we forget green energy and continue to rely almost entirely on fossil fuels instead of having as MUCH green power as possible.

Then day the enviable happens: they run out of oil. What then?

The world falls to it's knees... economies and lives are destroyed and the world falls into anarchy. Far fetched you might say?

No more gasoline cars. No more airplanes. No more new plastic (although we probably have enough to recycle for the next 10,000 years)

At least trains run on diesel so biodiesel would be possible without much need for modification. However, if you start using FOOD for fuel, there's going to be MASS famines. Which is another factor... unless farm equipment is diesel, they'd have to convert to it or have no way to run it.

If there was no more gasoline and no way to get around except the very, very, VERY few true EVs (or walking, bicycle), do you not think it would basically be the end of society as we know it? Not only for USA but for the world.

Fossil fuels are finite. We are going to run out. The question is when. Global warming/climate change (again, the same thing) is just another aspect of why we need green energy.

It's going to be too late when the last drop of gasoline is used. We won't have the infrastructure in place to cope with the problem.

But fine... live with your head buried in the sand. We may not run out of oil before those of us on the forum will die .. so we'll just kick the can down the road for the next several generations. Eventually you're going to run out road to kick the can down, you'll be at the cliff. You have no choice to jump off of it, since there will be no going back to fossil fuels. They'll be gone forever. It'll be the worst case of "told you so" ever.
Lecturing everyone about the obvious...that fossil fuels will eventually run out...is a straw man argument. It is a transparent scare tactic, and an attempt to divert attention toward the obvious and away from the fact that the green energy crowd has not come up with any viable answers to our future energy needs over the last 40+ years.

Wind and solar are not the inevitable replacements for oil and coal simply because guys like you say they are. It is becoming increasingly possible that they will NEVER advance to the point where they can even begin to replace current energy sources, and this is demonstrated by the fact that they have been touted as "the future" for well over half a century now. Despite having been studied feverishly for decades, they have borne little fruit. Scoffing at, or flat-out insulting, the more pragmatic members of this board who realize that fossil fuels are still abundant, still affordable, still effective, and are going to be around for awhile makes YOU look foolish, not them. You have to be pretty damned arrogant to believe that everyone who realizes what America's energy sources are going to be for the foreseeable future is either a moron or an oil company stooge. You are the one ignoring the obvious shortfalls of green energy, and just because you can't see those shortfalls through your own narcissism doesn't mean they aren't there.

We cannot create enough biofuels to satiate the energy needs of our economy. This is a pipe-dream, and another one of those green "solutions", like solar, that is only good on the micro level. Can we run city buses on it? Sure? Can we make enough of it to run the buses, our B52s, all our Abrams tanks, and some Blackhawk helicopters on it...as well as all of our trucks and cars? Oh, and have enough left to eat? No. So get it out of your fuckin' head.

EVs are not the answer either, because of our aging power grid. Greenies don't want any conventionally-fueled power plants, they don't want any more dams, they don't want nuclear. That leaves wind and solar to provide for our INCREASING electrical needs, and if everyone started driving an electric car tomorrow the drain on our power grid would be immense. It would be a disaster, so get it out of your fuckin' head.

Personally, I'd rather have my head buried in the sand than up my own ass...
Edited by Cobrajet25, Aug 31 2014, 03:37 AM.
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