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New tires to the rear?; Just saw this
Topic Started: Feb 5 2015, 03:05 PM (4,124 Views)
chavezja03
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Discount Tire told me despite the vehicle, new tires go on the rear.
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dayle1960
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I went to Wally world a few days ago and said I need two new tires in the front. That's what I wanted, that's what I got! If you want something from a company, then remember, you are the customer. Demand what you want.

I view the situation as this, as long as I drive in a safe manner and don't try to overdrive any situation, then I should get what I want, where I want it.
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1DCGUY
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dayle1960
May 27 2015, 02:03 PM
I went to Wally world a few days ago and said I need two new tires in the front. That's what I wanted, that's what I got! If you want something from a company, then remember, you are the customer. Demand what you want.

I view the situation as this, as long as I drive in a safe manner and don't try to overdrive any situation, then I should get what I want, where I want it.
You can demand all you want to some of these companies, and they will tell you to take a hike.
They don't care if you are their best customer, have cash, whine and cry, it is company policy!!
You have to remember, their ass is on the line if someone gets into an accident and gets hurt, why else would we have this stupid rule!!
Wanna bet some company lost a shit pile of money for this very reason?? :whistle
I fix the problem by never having anyone mount my tires, I just buy them, and head to a friends house who has a tire machine and balancer, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper!!


Be glad you have a Wal-Mart that still does this, because it's one lawsuit away from a policy change.
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perfesser
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I was at a tire store today getting a pair of new tires mounted up. While they were working, there was a video playing on their TV about this very subject. Using a very large, very wet (3/4"+ water depth) skid pad, they set up two cars with used tires at one end and new at the other. The cars were a Taurus (FWD) and a Mustang (RWD).

With the used tires in front on either car, at departure speed the front end pushed (understeer) and went straight, which is an easier emergency situation for the vast majority of drivers. For the rest, the driving gods, the skill levels are so high it doesn't matter - they can BS their way out of anything! :O :( :O

With the new tires up front on either car, the rear end ran out of traction well before the front and the tail started wagging the dog. The car got loose (oversteer) at departure and went off on its own merry way treating the occupants to a 360 degree panoramic view before slowing down enough to regain control. Very few drivers have the skills needed to handle that situation safely.

As I don't remember anyone here being a championship caliber road racer (sorry, LeMons just isn't at that level!) I doubt that anyone here actually has those skills (as opposed to bragging and posturing about them.) I have taught and researched chassis engineering and dynamics for close to a decade now and taken some pretty neat performance driving schools. I wouldn't try a new-tires-in-front setup in an open road setting. IMO, it would border on reckless behavior to deliberately set up a car in such a way that it could take control from you when you aren't planning it. Fun? Just think of the kids unloading in the rain from that school bus in front of you!

I may not be good enough to handle all extreme loss-of-control situations, but at least I'm smart enough to know that much! I fear for the ones who haven't learned yet that their skills really do have limits!

Oh, yeah - those two new tires I was getting today? They go on the back. Of my Dixon ZTR mower! :D :D :D
Edited by perfesser, May 27 2015, 10:22 PM.
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Woodie
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Let them put the new ones on the rear (stupid choice forced by lawyers to appease the 90% who can't drive). You should be rotating brand new tires at 5,000 miles anyway.
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solerpower
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This topic comes down to who is liable for the accident. If a driver has the non-new tires in the rear and they put the car sideways and there is a blow-out, and then a roll over then both the manufacture and the tire company that installed them are liable. Neither manufacture or tire company is responsible (harder to attribute liability) if you loose control because of traction issue/ steering issuing in the front tires. Liability would go to the driver. If your a tire manufacture or tire company you don't want to be liable, so in the mid 90's or when ever it was when the SUV's started having these problems this was their long term fix. You must remember that the tire company or manufacture doesn't directly have anything to do with your lower traction front tires and what happens to you because of that. They still have to rotate, but this is not a new tire situation, and again removes them from responsibility.

I tell the tire company if they don't put them on the side I want then they won't have my business. I'll go else where and so will my advice for others.
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Dundo Duction
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I got a new pair of Toyo Extensas yesterday. The tires were already following this scheme of the better ones in back - there were BF Goodrich in the rear that still had a comparitively better tread than the fronts. The fronts were nasty: bald and leaking on the right, scary sidewall damage on the left, and a radial belt likely broken, judging by that telltale puffiness that makes the car pulsate a bit.

Moved Goodrich to the front, new Toyos to the rear.

The immediate improvement in rolling resistance was delightful. The smooth feeling of zipping along neighborhood streets was a revelation.
Can't wait to get it out on the highway on Monday morning!
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