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Rubbing noise whilst driving my Geo; I cannot figure out what is causing this noise!
Topic Started: May 10 2015, 12:12 AM (1,435 Views)
RONNIEREDLINE
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the spring might have come off and is lodged in there somewhere?
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johnross999
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May 10 2015, 09:59 PM
well its hard to say if turning it will stop the noise, if the axle isnt in all the way, it might make a variety of noises that are not common. turning it does make the axle a little shorter, so maybe it pulls it out a little bit or something? if it isnt in all the way it is also crooked slightly as well.
i have the wheel off today. the axle seems to be in all the way, but should there be a slight gap between the transmission and edge of the axle? i' say about a quarter of an inch from touching the transmission. It won't pull out or go in more, so it seems right. when i put the axle in the c-clip that was on there was a lot thicker and could not slide it in with all my might, so I used the clip off of the old axle which was slightly thinner. I felt it go into place when i installed it. And like I said, it feels like it is in place, it won't pull out or go in more. My question is, should it spin very freely? it also seems like it doesn't spin very freely. Could I have transmission problems? The bearings and everything else seem fine.
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the wheel spins very freely and nice with the axle removed. no problems with the bearings any more. it's the axle that doesn't spin freely. No, the clip was not lost in there, i used the old clip to install it. The axle doesn't pull out or go in more. Not sure what is wrong, but i suspect the problem is inside the trans. Where should i check now, any ideas?
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Is that a "new/replacement" axle? If recently replaced consider that many times the stock numbers get mixed up and the wrong axle is shipped. --- there are at least 4 different lengths available (right, left, automatic, manual) and some are just a tad longer than others.
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May 13 2015, 11:09 AM
Is that a "new/replacement" axle? If recently replaced consider that many times the stock numbers get mixed up and the wrong axle is shipped. --- there are at least 4 different lengths available (right, left, automatic, manual) and some are just a tad longer than others.
but the problem and the noise started before i changed the axle. and is the same sound with the new axle as the old one. i thought it was the bearings causing all the noise, so replaced them. the old axle was clunking every once in a while, so I replaced it next. but the rubbing sound still persists, and sounds louder than before when i drove it today.
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May 10 2015, 10:01 PM
the spring might have come off and is lodged in there somewhere?
Hi, I never heard any more advice.. I am still trying to figure out what is wrong. The axle on the drivers side does not spin freely and i am pretty sure that is where the noise is coming from. Not sure why a slight tilt of the wheel stops the noise though. Are there bearings inside where the CV axle slides in? and could these make a drag or grinding noise? and are they replaceable? thanks
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May 13 2015, 11:09 AM
Is that a "new/replacement" axle? If recently replaced consider that many times the stock numbers get mixed up and the wrong axle is shipped. --- there are at least 4 different lengths available (right, left, automatic, manual) and some are just a tad longer than others.
it measures the same as the old one. The problem started when the old CV was in there anyway. Never went away after putting in a new one.
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yes there is a bearing inside the trans that supports the axle.
as for a rubbing or grinding noise, is it muffled or sharp sounding?
did you check the level of oil in the trans?
check it by removing the speedo cable.
does the seal leak around the shift linkage? (low oil problem)
does it leak around the axles?
if it leaks around the axles you bearing may be shot, you see, when the bearing is bad, it lets the axle move out of round to much and pre maturely wears out the axle seals, or they get dirt in the seal and it acts like sand paper.
this will also make a slight rubbing sound or grinding if its kinda bad.
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i would eliminate anything you new you replaced, as its some what a rarity to have a new and old part with the same problem, but it does happen, just not so often.
you need to use the process of elimination, prove the part is ok and is the same or better than the old one with no doubts and then go to the next one.
just be sure of every part.
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you need to post a video with sound, then someone might say OH YEAH ive had that problem and they will know what it is right away.
picture/video is worth a thousand words.................
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RONNIEREDLINE
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WHAT IF you assembled it wrong,BUT you assembled it the way it came apart?
meaning you are installing it the way someone else did and they did it wrong and you are assuming its correct?
it sounds like something is to tight with the bearings, maybe the races are in to far or something?
what i would do is disassemble the pass wheel bearings etc.. take photos and notes, dont do a thing to them, just inspect and compare them to what you did on the drivers side.
first rule on doing a brake job that your not familiar with?
do one wheel at a time, if you have question, compare it to the wheel you never messed with, all the answers are there.
you will find it, just be persistent.
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May 20 2015, 10:24 PM
yes there is a bearing inside the trans that supports the axle.
as for a rubbing or grinding noise, is it muffled or sharp sounding?
did you check the level of oil in the trans?
check it by removing the speedo cable.
does the seal leak around the shift linkage? (low oil problem)
does it leak around the axles?
if it leaks around the axles you bearing may be shot, you see, when the bearing is bad, it lets the axle move out of round to much and pre maturely wears out the axle seals, or they get dirt in the seal and it acts like sand paper.
this will also make a slight rubbing sound or grinding if its kinda bad.
i did not see any leaks from the axle seal. I just replaced the fluid with 2 1/2 quarts syncromesh when i replaced the cv axle. i had trouble getting the new axle seal from stores here so I did not replace it, it looked fine there was no leakage from it. i can check the level, but i found no leaking anywhere.
it is like a muffled sound but pretty loud rubbing, almost grinding sound.
i will make a recording tomorrow and post it here
Edited by johnross999, May 20 2015, 11:38 PM.
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Well, the guy that said it was the passenger side bearings was actually correct. when i took the wheel off and spun it, i said, "that's the noise!" and I knew all i had to do was change those wheel bearings. I guess sound bounces around so much under the hood can't really tell where it is coming from. Thanks to everyone who read and helped solve this! Going to drive my Geo for years more now... today I replace the drivers side window regulator, fun too..
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Woodie for the win, way to go sir..
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i gotta admit it, when you change, wheel bearings,tie rods, shocks,struts, anything in pairs, always replace both sides.
glad you fixed, it sometimes it can really wear a person out trying to find it. wish i would have told you that, but i just didnt pay enough attention i guess.
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