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| myredvert | Jun 23 2015, 06:29 PM Post #46 |
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Dayle, I'm just as curious as you about "how they did it," but that seems pretty irrelevant in terms of marketing the Elio, since it had nothing to do with what "will be" in it. I just don't see the upside for them to publicly show some temporary stop gap solution. New Elio marketing theme song? "Que sera, sera, whatever will be, will be... The future's not yours to see, que sera, sera..." Being the very boring, uncool person that I am, I have to admit I am getting more and more confused every time i hear the term "black hat" thrown around... ![]() here I thought they were just referring to the air cleaner housing, but a few days ago I heard "black hat" used in reference to the transaxle side cover (which is confusing because couldn't it be painted a different color?), and I'm also not completely sure if maybe it is being used to refer to a bad guy in the car, or even something a good or a bad guy in the car might wear?
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| nwgeo | Jun 23 2015, 06:44 PM Post #47 |
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I hope it works.... I would buy a used one if I could get my hands on one but if they are not as popular as the VW beetle or the Harley bike there will not be enough spare ones around. |
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| nerys | Jun 23 2015, 07:33 PM Post #48 |
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it is not more narrow. remember in OUR cars the axles stubs and wheels are inside that width. on this one they are all "outside" in the breeze so to speak. so measure your engine bay from the inside of the of each strut tower enclosure. probably about the same as in the elio. |
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| Tim Keith | Jun 23 2015, 10:22 PM Post #49 |
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Mr Elio is a poor businessman who seems to think that juggling consumer expectations is a good marketing strategy. Bernie Madoff thought that he could eventually pay off his investors - if he could keep the fiasco a secret, but eventually his investors absolutely demanded that corrections be made, as they were justly entitled. Poor planning + time = no deliverables. Mr Elio has made no hard or implied promises to anyone. There is no deception as far as I can determine, but there is no real planning either. When you make a partial payment to a contractor before they start work, you might never see completed results. But, Mr Elio hasn't required a pre-payment. I don't know what the legal constraints are as per a class action suit by those who made deposits, but I'd expect that most of the money has already been spent on "research". The deposits are only a drop in the bucket as per the cash that is actually needed to go into production. I'm not sure that there is much of a market for his vehicle - not that I might not buy one from Craig's List. The investor community also has doubts, or he'd have the startup cash that was needed, years ago. I think Mr Elio is just another poor businessman who means well, but he doesn't know what to do except promise results next year... I don't think Mr Elio is fraudulent, but just doesn't know what to do. |
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| Metromightymouse | Jun 23 2015, 11:55 PM Post #50 |
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This was simply a response to having been chewed on about not saying "may" when talking about what would be seen under the hood with close inspection. Truth be told, I would have phrased it " so careful examination would likely show" since that sounds more intelligent than just saying "may" and, you know, that is my schtick. I was simply pointing out that in this ongoing conversation we have many times written comments about Elio's motivations as if we know exactly what he is thinking, when we have no idea because we can't actually see under his hood. |
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| solerpower | Jun 24 2015, 01:16 AM Post #51 |
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I would not want the Elio as my main mode of transportation. I watched the video I can see that it is enclosed. I can understand the weather problem. I will check in on the prices of the reverse trikes they are selling. I'm guessing $10,000 to $15,000. What I am saying is the frame and body including the front wheel covers looks very close. I bet someone has a reverse trike that has been built for fuel economy. The right engine and few aerodynamic mods and you could easily be in the same range. We shall see what becomes of this. The price and 84 MPG are estimates at best; hypothetical. I'm not trying to knock the idea, and I hope he is successful. |
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| myredvert | Jun 24 2015, 03:15 AM Post #52 |
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As far as the engine bay is concerned, I absolutely agree with Nerys' assessment of the width and the illusion created by having the majority of the front suspension outside the bay/body vs everything being inside, and that in order to stuff a G10 and transaxle inside it has to be pretty much just as wide as a Metro bay from wheel well to wheel. And while I had guessed that no Metro engine bay structure would have been harmed during the making of an Elio, in the interest of trying to possibly obtain some objective evidence I typed "Elio Motors Chassis" in a search box and about .43 seconds later saw quite a few pictures of what appears to be a scratch built chassis that doesn't use any structural components from a Metro. ![]() photo copyright Elio Motors https://eliomotors.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/the-new-elio-motors-blog/ Edited by myredvert, Jun 24 2015, 05:11 AM.
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| Freeman | Jun 24 2015, 05:50 AM Post #53 |
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The issue with a more traditional motorbike is the seated position. You are basically a giant fin catching wind. The Elio is much more stream lined than a traditional trike. Also, trikes use a much more complex front suspension set up in order to steer like a motorcycle more than a car. Comparing the Elio to a traditional reverse trike is very difficult. Physically they appear similar, but mechanically there are a ton of differences. Can we get a spec sheet like this for the Elio? http://can-am.brp.com/spyder/spyder/spyder-rs/spyder-rs-s/specs.html MSRP starting at $18k for the Spyder. I would love to compare the foot prints, height and power/weight ratios. |
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| Metromightymouse | Jun 24 2015, 06:20 AM Post #54 |
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Based on my less than expert observations of the pictures and videos I have seen of the chassis and the finished car it appears that they skinned the hand built chassis with as much Metro sheet metal as possible, which makes sense from a cost perspective. The doors appear to be Metro which means it's likely that the door frame is Metro as well. The pictures under the hood have always just looked like an old used Metro (which is another reason not to show it often) and the windshield looks like a Metro windshield with the sides cut to make it fit the reduced width. This would mean that the frame around the windshield would be a Metro skin as well and since most of the mounting for the items on the firewall appeared to be mounted like they are in the Metro (it's been a while since I saw a good pic and I'm not inspired to go searching on my phone so I'm going to work from memory) and nothing really stood out as odd, it's likely that the firewall is Metro as well with some components moved around. The strut towers were eliminated, and that is the space used to pull in the sides and make the nose. Again it's all my opinion, I don't actually know anything. Well, except for the video evidence that I see at work that leads to the conclusion that it's all a hologram anyway and nothing is really real... but I suppose I don't really know that either, it's just a trick of the camera... wait, who's watching me? |
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| dayle1960 | Jun 24 2015, 06:37 AM Post #55 |
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http://geometroforum.com/topic/5830225/1/ Hey Elio motors.......On GeoMetroForum.com there has been a few good threads posted about the Elio. You might want to check it out to see what other high fuel mileage enthusiasts think about your vehicle. We would like to see your comments over there, especially if Paul Elio could personally respond. I just posted this response in the comment section of ChrisFix's video. Will be interesting how Elio might reply. |
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| myredvert | Jun 24 2015, 08:47 AM Post #56 |
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Would that be the composite skinned chassis that by the looks of it was fabricated by a professional custom build shop from engineering drawings to build a vehicle that in terms of shape and dimensions looks like it has very little in common with a Metro? And to me the only thing the engine bay appears to have in common with a Metro is that it has a G10 in it. Other than that, I see little to no resemblance. I couldn't imagine anyone who knew enough about structural and aerodynamic design to be able design that vehicle with a mid .2s Cd even having a single stray thought about the Metro during the design and process, let alone decide to start with a few Metro body parts and decide to design and build a new vehicle around them... Dayle, I doubt he cares much about what we think. How many potential sales would you estimate are here? 10 or 20? What exactly do you feel he would have to gain from our comments that he hasn't likely already heard elsewhere or couldn't figure out on their own? Their vehicle was designed by engineers, their engine and transaxle to be are being designed by professional engineers, and they have tens of thousands of " pre-orders" as they call them and I would be willing to bet a large portion of those are from other "high mileage enthusiasts" whose worlds don't revolve around a Metro. On top of that, our 50 mpg cars aren't even in the same class as the performance capabilities of their vehicle... If it is ever built.. ![]() Also, what makes you think they haven't read our comments? One thing I have to give the Elio folks is that by the looks of their website they seem to be extremely internet and marketing savvy - and I would be surprised if they don't already monitor every single occurrence of the word Elio anywhere on the internet. |
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| Coche Blanco | Jun 24 2015, 11:07 AM Post #57 |
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7600 General Motors Boulevard Shreveport, LA 71130 This is the address of the plan they are supposed to be using. I am just putting it here for bookmarking purposes. link Edited by Coche Blanco, Jun 24 2015, 11:15 AM.
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| Metromightymouse | Jun 24 2015, 11:20 AM Post #58 |
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Like I said, I don't know anything... |
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| ZXTjato | Jun 24 2015, 11:39 AM Post #59 |
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well thats the reason it wont go any faster than 35mph its not that the elio is governed that transmission just sucks that hard
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| Freeman | Jun 24 2015, 12:50 PM Post #60 |
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I did 85 in mine just the other day! Doesn't mean they don't suck in other aspects
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