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People looking to be offending by ANYTHING and making a stink!
Topic Started: Jun 24 2015, 03:50 PM (6,535 Views)
cwatkin


Yes, and the fact people get offended about anything. I had just repaired a church sign the day all the Confederate flag crap started and I had someone chewing me out for repairing a church sign because they didn't agree with it. If you don't like it, pay me $2000 NOT to repair it next time.

Conor
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cwatkin


Speaking of repairing "offensive" digital LED signs, here is one for you. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f6971d504a6d894cb7944de3d383c26c5c6bb869/c=0-0-533-401&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2015/06/24/WFMY/WFMY/635707769620670109-Confederate-Billboard.jpg

The words are made out of a bunch of small Confederate flags.

Conor
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Metromightymouse
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Powdercoat Wizard

How about, "They can burn my flag, but they can't burn my spirit"
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Ephemeral Glade
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They can burn my draws, but then they'll have to deal with my pasty butt.
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Old Man


I will just repeat my words in post #46 of this thread and then go on my way:

Wasted time, wasted words--
closed minds on both sides--
don't matter what you feel or say--
gonna stay the same in the future
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Metromightymouse
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Old Man
Jun 30 2015, 05:51 PM
I will just repeat my words in post #46 of this thread and then go on my way:

Wasted time, wasted words--
closed minds on both sides--
don't matter what you feel or say--
gonna stay the same in the future
as it has been in the past
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Metromightymouse
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My lovely wife mentioned something that applies to the sub context of this conversation so I thought I would share it.

This falls under the heading of unintended consequences. I will be using my best PC since we are working through the very small loop hole that allows discussions like this. In the discussion of one sides agenda vs the other sides agenda, you should be very careful with how you treat the other side. If you fail to treat them with respect and allow them some simple human decency, you may be surprised at how that little law of unintended consequences comes back to bite you.

Consider this:
For many years people who had an alternative lifestyle, for the most part, seemed ok with the status quo where marriage and family and relationships were concerned. Now I'm sure a full, legal marriage would be on the list of things that they wanted, but just like wanting a million dollars, they didn't really expect it or pursue it.

So what changed? What made a legal marriage such a big deal when civil unions and private, personal ceremonies sufficed before. It generally takes big things to motivate large groups of people to fight for what they believe in. Something to rally around and make the alternative of not fighting for what they believe in unacceptable.

Aids happened...

Now I'm sure you are either thinking "what the hell does that have to do with marriage" or "yeah, they want to force insurance companies to cover (let's just call them roommates)". Unfortunately, I believe you are wrong. Some insurance companies were already starting to cover alternative families around that time and it was something that most didn't really expect. That issue is not big enough to rally around in the environment of that time. Nope, with hundreds and thousands of people sick and in hospitals, one of those agendas popped up. It was easy for it to fly under the radar before this, but with so many people that were involved in alternative relationships affected by this, the agenda and it's lack of respect for fellow humans forced the issue forward.

Many Christian hospitals and some others, wouldn't allow roommates to be at the side of those they loved when they were dying. Didn't matter how long they had been roommates or anything else, family members only. Period.

How's that for a rallying cry? That is an issue that people will stand behind. Even people who don't agree with the lifestyle can see how wrong it was. And when some of those hospitals stood on their Christian values to treat people as less than human, the answer was simple, make being a family legal for them. Doesn't matter if the hospital doesn't agree with the lifestyle, they're family, they can be there.

You can say I'm wrong and they were always pursuing it and I will agree that yes, some were, but without something to rally around it wasn't going far. In fact, around that time, before aids became more than just a dietary candy, their biggest issue was not getting beat up or fired for living the life they led.

So treat others with respect and human decency, or things just might change in ways that you didn't consider.
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Freeman
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The Family Man

I had not considered the 'death bed' scenario. However, I was never a major opponent of marriage anyway.
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Ephemeral Glade
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Good points above. The way gay people have been treated is fucking ghastly. When was the last time you heard about a bunch of gay men dragging a straight man behind their pickup truck, or singling him/her out for a beating. The threat to our society posed by married gay people is about as significant as the scourge of video game violence.

(lol)
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Ephemeral Glade
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For the sake of not being banned by Mythstae, the scourge of video game violence does not include any of the games from the Halo franchise. We all know reflexively that ALL aliens MUST be destroyed.
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I also think MMM brought up a very important point/issue. :thumb

And, in my opinion NO ONE should be allowed to desecrate our flag. I was raised to not even let it touch the ground as a sign of respect. Burning it, coloring it up for ANY "movement," etc. should not be allowed.

Our society is rapidly losing grasp on the concept of respect in general, and I believe attempting to teach "adults" who don't already know better what respect for anything means is a losing battle.
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Freeman
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Isn't it tradition to burn the flag though? I am talking about when disposing of it. I thought if it touched the ground, it should be incinerated.

I do not drag the flag around, but if my personal flag touched the ground I'd probably keep flying it. Accidents do happen. As for the people standing on the flag, that doesn't make a bit of sense. Burning the flag in protest doesn't make any sense. The flag, to me, represents the people who fight and have fought for our freedom. In no way, shape, or form do I associate it with the corruption of our political system. Taking a stand by desecrating the flag doesn't effect politicians that don't serve the flag.

I'm beginning to rant.
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68custom


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Jul 1 2015, 09:58 AM
Good points above. The way gay people have been treated is fucking ghastly. When was the last time you heard about a bunch of gay men dragging a straight man behind their pickup truck, or singling him/her out for a beating. The threat to our society posed by married gay people is about as significant as the scourge of video game violence.

(lol)
this exact same scenario is why many Americans do not like the confederate flag!
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bass heads

when im really REALY snoozeville at work i read this thread....
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cwatkin


Many people from the South see the Confederate flag as a symbol of their identity and do not see it as a symbol of hate. I know some pretty left wing people who live in the South and they don't see it as a big deal. Yes, there are individuals and groups such as the guy who shot the people in church who use it as a symbol of hate and of course those are high profile and what the media covers.

It just seems that with all the other issues going on right now, this is NOT the thing we should be focusing on. I mean the Russians are deploying a hypersonic nuclear cruise missile, China is rapidly expanding their military, Iran is doing everything they can to stall talks and agreements to develop nuclear weapons, and the financial stability of the European Union is uncertain. Those are just a few things I see as more serious but really we are all worried about a stupid flag that wasn't an issue until a week ago. As for the guy who shot those people, he needs to be dragged behind a truck.

When the Iranians set off a surprise nuclear test or worse, an attack, people won't be so worried about the rebel flag.

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