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| Freeman | Jul 1 2015, 12:56 PM Post #91 |
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Anyone use that Facebook rainbow thing just for the gradient? I really liked how it looked myself, regardless of affiliation of support. |
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| evmetro | Jul 1 2015, 01:09 PM Post #92 |
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This is probably the key to being able to discuss controversial topics. My guess is that there would not be forbidden topics if people could stay civilized when they discuss them, and refrain from littering up an entire forum with them. Although you and I are most likely on opposite sides of opinion, I believe we are on the same side of wanting to keep it civilized. I think it is pretty cool that you are able to recognize a controversial thread and let it go a little further, since it happens to be unfolding in a civilized way and also happens to be regarding today's hottest topics. I was once for unlimited free speech on this forum, but have been around this forum long enough to see the messes that are created by it. Based on what I have seen in the past, I will not be surprised if somebody steps in and starts dropping foul language or gets ugly enough that we have to lock it down. |
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| Metromightymouse | Jul 1 2015, 01:23 PM Post #93 |
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We probably aren't as far apart as you expect... maybe it's possibly instead. I grew up in California so I know where some of your feelings come from. In fact I spent a good portion of my youth in Oildale and people there still remember the sign on the bridge that warned some people that it would not be a good idea to be on the other side after dark. It is possible for opposite sides to discuss hot button topics without it getting out of hand, as long as they treat each other with respect. Unfortunately our elected officials seem to have forgotten this, or at least act like it to impress their constituents. As long as this topic remains respectful and doesn't get heated there is no reason to shut it down. It is discussing a current news item and that makes it permissible, barring other violations. Honestly, there are only a few people currently actively participating on the forum that I think would cross the line, but incidents of that have kinda been down recently. And as much as I enjoy some of these conversations, I will fulfill my Moderator responsibilities and shut it down the second it gets out of hand. |
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| evmetro | Jul 1 2015, 01:50 PM Post #94 |
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One of the hardest things for people to do in today's culture is to be truly objective. When we take a hot issue such as gay marriage or flag debates, we also will see two opposite opinions, regardless of who, if anybody is correct. Each side is fully capable of seeing their own views, but those are purely subjective. To be truly objective, one must be able to process the views of both sides. Not what is wrong with the opposing side, but rather what is right about it. The opposing side has an opinion that is right in his mind, so you need to keep looking until you can identify it. We all have an innate desire to skip being objective, and just squash the opposition, and this is why society fights. The two sides of the cultural and political aisles have gone two different directions, and the further they grow apart the less people understand of the other side. This also means that it is getting harder and harder to see the opposing opinion objectively. We see both sides fighting more for the power to over ride the other, and it is getting rare to see people seeking compromise. Without objectivity, compromise, and agreement, the subjective fights of each side will keep escalating into uglier and more violent fights, and eventually one side will conquer the other. |
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| Freeman | Jul 1 2015, 02:19 PM Post #95 |
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You could sum up our nation's problems with this statement. The "my way or the highway" mentality is conquering the land. I do struggle to be objective. But I'm capable of understanding most opinions to some extent. |
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| evmetro | Jul 1 2015, 03:01 PM Post #96 |
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This is a huge wild card, and what makes things so complicated. We have been able to package up some general differences in society such as race, religion, color, age, nationality etc, but these days there is a division that runs much deeper than anything we have seen before. Although it once referred mostly to political affiliation, the differences between liberals and conservatives are now what define the opposing sides of society. There has been some resistance by people about being packaged up with a label of conservative or liberal, but these two labels really do fit quite well. You can take any of today's hot news topics and conservatives will hold one set of opinions, while liberals will hold the opposite. The only way to objectively see and compare both sets of opinions is to consume the media from both sides, which opens up another can of worms. Today's media sources have been divided into biased categories as well. One can't objectively size up a news story if they only consume media from one biased source. As a guy who is involved with knowing what is going on in the world as much as I am involved with working on Metros, I actually take the time to watch news programs on FOX News, but also from MSNBC, ABC, NBC, Drudge Report, and any internet media source that I find, liberal OR conservative. By watching both sides of the story, I know immediately when one side is intentionally not reporting something that is news worthy with the intent of deceiving their viewers. It happens all the time. I stand strongly on one side of the aisle, but since both sets of media sources are at my disposal, I would be self imposing ignorance on myself if I did not track the other side. |
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| 68custom | Jul 1 2015, 03:08 PM Post #97 |
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all good points!
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| evmetro | Jul 1 2015, 03:29 PM Post #98 |
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Subjectively conquering the opposition is human nature, and will probably dominate civilizations forever. We evolved from being wild animals who raped, killed, and did ugly things like ISIS does, into the more civilized creatures of western civilization that we see today, but the wild side is still part of us today as an innate but dormant characteristic. When the going gets rough, the wild side will come out. If the opposing sides of America's civil war continue to divide, you may see some of this. What we are seeing with the rebel flag, the USA flag, and gay marriage in these last few weeks is not exactly objective compromise and agreement. Victory for either side of these issues is sweet for that side, but remember that the conquered side is half of a nation. Had the conservatives conquered the liberals on these issues we still would have had half of a nation conquered by the other. Either way, it as ugly as seeing somebody sue their parent, child, or sibling. |
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| nineoneandblue | Jul 1 2015, 03:36 PM Post #99 |
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Ya know.........A guy selling "soap boxes" could get rich here!
Edited by nineoneandblue, Jul 1 2015, 03:39 PM.
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| Old Man | Jul 1 2015, 03:45 PM Post #100 |
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aint no 'soap boxes' in the Geo Metro Lounge. Just a little corner to express your opinion on something other than your Geo. |
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| nineoneandblue | Jul 1 2015, 04:07 PM Post #101 |
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"Soapbox" to me is not a negative term...........It is what it is. The term is also used metaphorically to describe a person engaging in often flamboyant impromptu or unofficial public speaking, as in the phrases "He's on his soapbox", or "Get off your soapbox." Hyde Park, London is known for its Sunday soapbox orators, who have assembled at Speakers' Corner since 1872 to discuss religion, politics, and other topics. A modern form of the soapbox is a website on which a user publishes his/her thoughts to whomever they are read by. |
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| Old Man | Jul 1 2015, 04:15 PM Post #102 |
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Not looking to start a shitstorm. Just pointing out that the Geo Metro Lounge is being used EXACTLY the way it was designed. |
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| evmetro | Jul 1 2015, 04:23 PM Post #103 |
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Soap Box is cool rhetoric. If you are into this kind of stuff, rhetoric is a really fun term to dig into on the wikipedia. You can get into ethos, pathos, and logos rhetoric. Aristotle is one of my heroes... |
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| cwatkin | Jul 1 2015, 08:23 PM Post #104 |
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Anyway, I didn't realize that Obama had the White House lit up with the rainbow pride colors. I had seen these images but figured it was just a Photoshop job or something like what everyone has done on Facebook. I heard from a friend who was quite upset he has never done anything like this for the military, police, or others. HE can't attend a memorial service for someone who died in combat but is right there for Micheal Brown who got shot after holding up a quick mart. As for the rainbow flag transparency on FB, I am now reading that this is a statistical data collection for FB. Not that this is bad but they use it to predict possible future behaviors and such. http://m.snopes.com/2015/06/29/facebook-rainbow-experiment/ Conor |
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| PTA2PTB | Jul 1 2015, 09:09 PM Post #105 |
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I'm totally awesome! I swear.
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I was mired down in rhetoric, once. Had to call on Roadside Semantics to get me out. |
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