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Still Trouble with Starting!!
Topic Started: Jul 21 2015, 01:27 PM (1,549 Views)
Johnny Mullet
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Fear the Mullet

Time for a starter.
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Highwayman
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ditto
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RedwoodGuy
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That what it feels like to me.

It kinda looks hard to get at? Is this a reasonable DIY, or should I have a pro do it?? I am modestly ok with tools, but I am not a "mechanic." If I have to remove the exhaust or something, that might be too much for me. Thoughts?
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RedwoodGuy
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BTW - - you guys a great! I appreciate the expertise here. This is my first GEO, and I'm an old geezer so not as good with cars as when I was 19, you know?
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Metromightymouse
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It is a pain in the ass but is doable for most. You don't have to remove anything but the starter. Most part stores sell the starter for about the cost of a solenoid, so it is easier and about the same cost to replace the whole starter.
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Old Man


before you buy a starter (just because the solenoid is bad) go back and read my post #10 (easy fix: full instruction on useing a ford solenoid separate from the starter)
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David95237


Old Man that ford solenoid wont work if his starter wont work.
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David95237
Jul 23 2015, 09:15 PM
Old Man that ford solenoid wont work if his starter wont work.
His starter works when he "bangs it. indicating the solenoid is not getting connection.?????????????
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David95237


Read post #9 http://geometroforum.com/topic/1964712/1/
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Metromightymouse
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The ford solenoid is just a high current relay. In this instance it might have enough kick to push past the dead spot, but it would only be a band aid, if it works. If the issue is built up carbon on the contacts, then it is possible that it might clear it, but there are a lot of ifs with that. Replacing the starter, or rebuilding it, will fix the issue, but the cost of a new starter is low enough that it makes sense to just replace it, in my opinion.
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Jul 23 2015, 11:50 PM
Yeah, and then in post #12 he says, " I got a long wrench against the started and banged it with a hammer a couple times. Started right up."

Mixed messages makes it hard to diagnose.
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ptcapboy


i've changed starters in both my 95 and 96 and it's a little pita but do-able without removing anything-on my 96 I had to disconnect a coolant hose to have more access-be sure to disconnect the battery
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I bought a new starter/soldenoid assembly and installed it yesterday. I have to say, it was not easy for me. The good news is there are just two bolts to be removed. The bad news is that they are bordering on inaccessible. This little engine is deceiving. Yes, it is small, but there are millions of hoses, pipe, and wire harnesses running willy-nilly over the engine like a bag of mad octopusses and they seem to be in the way of every nut or bolt head on the car.

Further complicated by the location of the starter - - you cant hold the starter with one hand, and guide the bolts in with the other. So, either it is a two man job, or you must have some luck that when you place it up in the flywheel hole, it will be oriented perfectly, stay there long enough for you to start the bolts. That was my case.

I had to buy some more socket wrench extensions of various sizes to come up with the just right length. Ok, not impossible, but it took my 5 hours to do this. Agreed...I am old, slow and a bit out of practice.

It started right up! Now I have my fingers crossed that it will start the next 500 times!

Thanks for all the help here guys!
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Johnny Mullet
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Replacing the starter is almost as hard as a complete rebuild :deal
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haha... I probably exaggerated about how hard it was to access those two bolts. Probably for a experience mechanic it would seem like child play. No one should go by what us old geezers have problems with.
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