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| Mitsubish Mirage; Not as well built as a Metro | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 14 2015, 09:46 PM (5,518 Views) | |
| Car Nut | Dec 22 2015, 08:54 AM Post #76 |
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I really wanted a Fit but held off for the 2015 model, hoping that a change had been made to the seats. Apparently I'm not the only one not able to drive them. You'd think with as many complaints, Honda would have fixed this constantly ongoing problem by now. It's not just the Fit. It affects Civics & Accords too. In their defense, I never had any problems with my 03 Odyssey van. Guess that was because it sat more upright. Only problem with it was the $3500 trans that took a dump on me. Luckily I bought the dealer extended warranty. Covered everything. http://www.carcomplaints.com/Honda/Fit/2015/accessories-interior/extremely_uncomfortable_seats.shtml http://www.hondaproblems.com/trends/uncomfortable-seats/ Edited by Car Nut, Jan 6 2016, 05:24 AM.
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| Old Man | Dec 22 2015, 11:38 AM Post #77 |
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spring spacers are cheap |
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| Freeman | Dec 22 2015, 01:57 PM Post #78 |
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Mine is a first gen, first year, model. I've never thought the seats were uncomfortable. I've done several 2 hour drives in the car without issue. They are at least twice as comfortable as my '00 Metro. As for the Van, the V6 auto trans is known to blow up. They last about 100,000 miles and die. |
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| cwatkin | Dec 22 2015, 02:29 PM Post #79 |
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I think Honda makes a good car overall but I have heard many bad things about certain automatic transmission models. Someone once told me they hold up fine if you change the fluid every 30,000 miles. Conor |
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| Freeman | Dec 22 2015, 02:41 PM Post #80 |
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I would not trust a Honda automatic trans. The V6 transmissions are definitely the worst. That is a known fact in the Honda community and on their forums. Working on an auto trans is just a pain in the butt. The Honda manual trans isn't too bad though. Synchros and entire gear sets are pretty simple to change out with basic hand tools. The input bearing and other pieces that have a precise spec and clearance take some work, but that is to be expected. |
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| cwatkin | Jan 5 2016, 01:38 PM Post #81 |
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http://bestride.com/blog/review-2015-mitsubishi-mirage-the-13000-question/28743/ Here is another review that doesn't just completely pan the Mirage. For a similar (inflation adjusted) price, you get a ton more than economy cars of the past. Conor |
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| Cobrajet25 | Jan 5 2016, 09:41 PM Post #82 |
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Pretty good review...I hadn't seen that one. I made the same point some time ago in a review of the Mirage for Edmunds.com. Adjusted for inflation, the Mirage is about the same price as a VW Beetle in 1970 or a Chevy Chevette in 1976. But it is, of course, wildly and vastly better than either one of those cars. I have owned lots of different cars. Many people have accused me of 'changing cars more often than most people change underwear'. Big cars, little cars, fast cars, slow cars. The Mirage is one of my favorites, and the ONLY car I have ever purchased brand new. I don't regret buying it one bit. |
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| cwatkin | Jan 5 2016, 10:38 PM Post #83 |
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That is saying a lot. Usually you can pretty much recoup your money on a used car if you don't like it unless it turns out to be a real lemon. Some of my friends do this as a hobby and make a few bucks. With a NEW car, you WILL lose money if you try to resell it so you must have really been impressed. Yes, when you look at it from the inflation adjusted perspective, it doesn't even compare to the junk of the past. My dad had access to a Chevette company car when he was working. It was such an unreliable piece of junk that he always chose to drive his own car. I don't think anyone ever drove them and they just sat there. One day his car had a flat tire or dead battery and he drove one home. It was such a nightmare dying at stop signs and such. I think he had to keep on the gas and the brake to keep it from stalling. I just looked it up on Wikipedia and apparently this think only got 28mpg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Chevette Obviously GM replaced it with a much better car, the Geo Metro! I had a teacher in high school that drove a Mitsubishi Precis (same as Hyundai Excel) and it was more of a tin can than the Metro ever thought about being and way more underpowered. His was a manual transmission so a crappy auto wasn't the reason. He was the type who didn't really care. It burned oil and smoked some but he just kept adding oil. Backfire with flames out the back would happen from time to time. The car was crap but it never seemed to let him down and always started right up. His wife finally forced him to get rid of it. He bought her a new car and took her old one. Yes, econo cars have come a long way since those days! Conor |
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| gamefoo21 | Jan 6 2016, 12:17 AM Post #84 |
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A few things... Timing belts are still around, and are much quieter than chains. Chains can and do grenade, when they do, it usually destroys the engine. So not a magic bullet they are. Daewoo was turned into GM Korea, they never retreated from the market, they were bought out and badgineered into many GM models, and GM force fed them to Suzuki America/Canada. We never got the proper Swift, but that god damned piece of shit Aveo rebadge Swift+, and the Aveo was a Daewoo at heart. Hell most of GM's cheaper vehicles are still based off GM Korea vehicles and built in third world countries with little respect for labour or the environment. Even that little Buick CUV is one, and it's not really that cheap either. Suzuki really suffered in our market because of the deal with GM, which resulted in the Geo Metro, Chevy Metro/Sprint, Pontiac Firefly which was badgineered from the Suzuki Swift/Cultus/Forsa. Only the 1995+ wide body cars were designed in collaboration with GM, to better accomodate the width of American drivers. It was also the first car in GM's fleet that met the new side body impact regulations. So many reasons to never touch a GMC vehicle again... As my fiance said, Generally Made Crappy... ![]() Rant mode off! Glad to see Mirage is turning into a quality vehicle. I've heard Darts are horrible for clutches on the stick shifts. I'm kinda partial to the Fiesta 1.0EB, or the Mazda 2 version, better colours! ![]() I will say though I am very partial to the three pedal versions.
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| Cobrajet25 | Jan 6 2016, 06:05 AM Post #85 |
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In the fall of 1994, when I was 20 years old, I had the opportunity to buy a brand new 1994 Geo Metro. It was a standard 2-door hatch, white, manual. I quite liked the car when I test drove it, and was surprised at how peppy it seemed given what I had heard. But we couldn't make the numbers work. The dealer simply wouldn't budge. Every Metro I have had since has made me wish I had bought one new. Exactly 20 years later, in the fall of 2014, I decided that I wasn't going to miss the opportunity to buy a brand new, fully awesome economy car...again! Edited by Cobrajet25, Jan 6 2016, 06:25 AM.
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| cwatkin | Jan 6 2016, 11:51 AM Post #86 |
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That is true! Economy cars tend often be neglected. Look at some of the Metros you see out there and some of us own. Mine are both beatup and the other two I got were bought with the intention of using them for parts only. It would be nice to get one and just change the oil from day one and not have to worry about buying one that went most of its life without an oil change. I guess 2017 will be the last year without all the stupid backup cameras and such so if I want one, I had better make a move by then. Conor |
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| Freeman | Jan 6 2016, 12:52 PM Post #87 |
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My timing chain is silent, just like my timing belts have been. I suppose you can hear a difference under the hood, but I sit in the cab when I drive. Also, timing chain/belt really doesn't change the grenading nature of the interference engine. Piston to valve contact is a dead engine! I've seen many dead engines over the rear from dropped valves, broken timing equipment, etc. The Mirage is one of the few 'new' cars I've ever considered. Most just boast a sticker price that is dumb compared to the slightly used market price. |
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| cwatkin | Jan 6 2016, 02:14 PM Post #88 |
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I understand that most timing chain driven engines ARE interference. I guess the thinking is that the odds of it breaking are so small compared to a belt that this normally isn't a concern. I understand that chains can and do wear out. Some of this can be from neglect while some is just lots of use and miles. Either way, the odds of it being an issue is a lot less than with a belt. Also, chains typically get loud before they go. Conor |
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| Freeman | Jan 6 2016, 03:07 PM Post #89 |
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Every Honda motor I can think of is interference and most of them are timing belts. But belts are typically easy to replace. |
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| cwatkin | Jan 6 2016, 05:56 PM Post #90 |
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That is true. Belts are not the end of the world but lots of people neglect them until they break and then blame the car for the engine being trash. Conor |
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