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Making a Murderer; on Netflix
Topic Started: Jan 6 2016, 04:19 PM (753 Views)
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Anyone watched this? Opinions? personally I think the family was sent down the river. funny thing is I am not even sure if SA is not guilty of murder, but there IS reasonable doubt. and his dimwitted nephew is doing life for nothing.
interested in what others think...
https://www.netflix.com/title/80000770
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Johnny Mullet
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I just started watching this last night.
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very interesting series, keeps you on the edge of your seat!
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Turbo Dan-O
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Watching it now. Crazy stuff!!!
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gamefoo21
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Horrible, there is huge reasonable doubt, but jury tampering, and the old boys club that everyone belonged too, and the way the system is designed to keep those who it's found guilty once, as forever guilty. Just simply disgusting, cost the guy 18 years because the Sheriff and Deputies had it out for him, then the state refused to pay him his wrongful imprisonment amount, forcing him to settle so he could get lawyers...

Man, I am glad I don't live in Wisconsin, I'd be so ashamed of paying tax dollars that support such a corrupt and inept system. It also shows just how flawed having elected judges can be. Also wow, at that horrible shit show called the Innocence Project, playing to public perception rather than truly being about pursuing justice.

Disgraceful, those guys are all a bunch of circle jerkers, and if hell exists, one life is but a short stay, for the eternity of punishment that awaits.

I hope SA gets out before either of his parents die, and I hope that his nephew gets to actually see justice before 2038.
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mt999999
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Hmm... looks interesting. I'll try to make room for it. :P I've been working on the Walking Dead show for half of a year. I'm on the second season. :lol
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dayle1960
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Anybody got the Cliffs notes on what the crime was and who the characters are?
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Metromightymouse
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Please bear in mind that the makers of the show are under no obligation to present all the evidence or to even try to be neutral when deciding what to include in the show.
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gamefoo21
Jan 6 2016, 09:38 PM
I hope SA gets out before either of his parents die, and I hope that his nephew gets to actually see justice before 2038.
So he can see Wrestlemania?
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Metromightymouse
Jan 7 2016, 06:01 AM
Please bear in mind that the makers of the show are under no obligation to present all the evidence or to even try to be neutral when deciding what to include in the show.
Exactly. Entertainment is about viewership and money, not justice.
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gamefoo21
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Metromightymouse
Jan 7 2016, 06:01 AM
Please bear in mind that the makers of the show are under no obligation to present all the evidence or to even try to be neutral when deciding what to include in the show.


This is true, any documentary is and will be subject to bias of the producers/director.

It's tweaked and obviously so, but considering how the evidence they presented adds up, like the DA telling the jury that the cops planting/tampering with the evidence was done for the right reasons. That right there is horrible.

The whole thing hung on a unreliable test, as well as a contaminated and unrepeatable test.

The excused juror summed up, that there were 3 who were deadest in SA being guilty, and the rest were either undecided or not guilty. The ones who were hang him high, were brow beating the other jurors into voting their way. The lawyers stated that only 1 out of the near 1000 possible jurors wrote SA off as guilty before hand on their questionnaire. How do you get a fair and balanced jury, and the judge refused to allow them to get jurors from elsewhere or move the trial.

The one deputy found the vehicle days before, the interesting set up for how it was found.

The keychain that was scrubbed clean, with only SA's DNA on it, only found with a local cop in the trailer out in the open, on the 7th or 8th sweep through.

Evidence that the burned bones were moved, then planted in and around the burning pit.

The lack of any other evidence in the trailer.

The one and only bullet that was found with a local cop, the DNA sample was tainted, the sample was destroyed, and so no idea how it was tainted, and can't be retested.

The tampered with blood sample, that was accessed by that other cop...

Oh and a discontinued test, which the FBI got done in horribly short turn round, the other professional completely tore the test apart.

The tampered with voicemails, days after she went missing.

The cops ignoring every other clue or possible suspect.

Evidence magically appearing when needed, almost always under suspicious circumstances. Like his nephew, being manipulated into confessing, which was then released to the media to destroy SA's public image, he instantly became Guilty until proven Innocent... Remind you of other not so free countries? It should...

I see more than enough for reasonable doubt, but he's been demonized in the media, and he threatened the local old boys club, so even the judge who depends on them for re-election, is probably biased.

I want to see SA get another trial at the least, in a federal court with as much bias removed as possible.

Woodie
Jan 7 2016, 06:27 AM
gamefoo21
Jan 6 2016, 09:38 PM
I hope SA gets out before either of his parents die, and I hope that his nephew gets to actually see justice before 2038.
So he can see Wrestlemania?


Yes, because a coerced confession that was made by abusing the mental capacity of the suspect... If the jury got to see the end of that video, they would have seen and heard him tell his mother that they got to his mind and twisted him around.

Am I supposed to take that quip as a hint about you treat and/or mistreat those with disabilities. I hope you don't condone what those officers, the removed lawyer and his henchman treated him. Let alone the 'investigator' knowing the victim and being so horribly biased because of it.

I'm glad that he's getting help that he needs.

I really think the people or person who killed that woman, is still out there.

Sorry for ranting, but it was disgusting to me how they were treated. :news
Edited by gamefoo21, Jan 7 2016, 02:59 PM.
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Metromightymouse
Jan 7 2016, 06:01 AM
Please bear in mind that the makers of the show are under no obligation to present all the evidence or to even try to be neutral when deciding what to include in the show.
I agree with what you are saying but the evidence provided seems to indicate a measure of corruption ot at least incompetence on the parts of the DA and the police dept as well as a lack of interest in mailing the real criminal. At least in respect to the initial charges brought against SA.
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I haven't seen the movie, nor will I. But I have two comments.

1) If you have ever seen the people's court, every once in a while someone will admit they pleaded guilty to some crime but claim they did not do it. They pleaded to avoid going to trial and getting a harsher sentence because that is how the game is played. And the judge says if they pleaded then they are guilty. Whether you believe the person or not, you get the impression justice is rather messy and imprecise. But the people who work for the system like to believe it is matter of truth and facts.

2) In the early days of cops there was an episode where an old lady was murdered in her kitchen. They showed the body. Her old husband found her dead and called cops. There is a scene where the husband is being interrogated. And by 3AM he is sobbing and the cops have him admitting that he feels sorry for her death and that he feels responsible for her death. And you know the cops are feeding this guy words and he is one or two hours from admitting he did it, whether or not he did it because he is old and tired and not too bright. Then another cop knocks on the door. The interrogator goes outside the room and is told the neighbors reported the handy man's car had been seen in the driveway earlier in the day. The cops immediately lose interest in the old man and go searching for the handy man. And if you watch this episode you realize this is how the system works. If the neighbors had not seen the handy man's car, they would have gotten a confession out of the old man, and he might have gone to jail.
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gamefoo21
Jan 7 2016, 02:53 PM
Woodie
Jan 7 2016, 06:27 AM
gamefoo21
Jan 6 2016, 09:38 PM
I hope SA gets out before either of his parents die, and I hope that his nephew gets to actually see justice before 2038.
So he can see Wrestlemania?


Am I supposed to take that quip as a hint about you treat and/or mistreat those with disabilities.
Geeze dude, that's a leap.


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