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How do you all feel about Volkswagen Turbo Diesels?
Topic Started: Jan 22 2016, 07:16 PM (725 Views)
Brandon8791
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I bought a 2004 Volkswagen Turbo Diesel and I absolutely have fallen in love with it. Fully loaded, rides awesome, and FWD! Only downside is I got an automatic instead of a Sticksbift... I want a stick now -.- lol so for that I still love my metro but they both get about the same mpg! if I got the stick Jetta then it would be better than the metro!
Edited by Brandon8791, Jan 22 2016, 07:17 PM.
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Stubby79
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Blasphemy! :P

Edit: Now imagine the mileage on a 1.0L TD Metro!
Edited by Stubby79, Jan 22 2016, 10:00 PM.
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doviatt
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I will say they are fun cars. My wife has a '13 Jetta sportwagen TDI 6 speed manual. Great car. Great mileage. Sporty fast. Great fun. Not so Great on the environment (so we find out). She will probably end the lease after she finds out what they (VW) have to offer.
I still like my Metro better. My new suspension update I added to my Metro Vert makes it more fun to drive than the Jetta.
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Brandon8791
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I do feel alittle bad replacing my metro honestly lol I had someone offer me 1500 for it and I just can't let it go I'd have to have 2000 and it would probably be sold but idk still hard to let the thing go... after being with it for a year I've gotten attached to the little booger haha
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Car Nut
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http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=299854 Interesting reading here on later models VW'$
Tdiclub.com will be your new best friend. The VW's are great, until they break. Very expensive parts. With out very pricey hand held diagnostic tools, a lot of jobs need to be done by the dealer, or taken to the dealer afterwards. When you change the trans fluid, it trips a light. $100 @ dealer to turn off. At least you bought an older model. The later model ones have been having issues with the high pressure fuel pump coming apart and destroying the fuel system. Only $5 to 10k to repair. :banghead I came very close to buying one of the later model wagons, but just couldn't get past the maintenance $$$ aspect. Truly not trying to rain on your parade. Don't be too quick to sell your Metro. Just my 2 cents worth. :hmm

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Cobrajet25
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Jan 23 2016, 06:05 AM
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=299854 Interesting reading here on later models VW'$
Tdiclub.com will be your new best friend. The VW's are great, until they break. Very expensive parts. With out very pricey hand held diagnostic tools, a lot of jobs need to be done by the dealer, or taken to the dealer afterwards. When you change the trans fluid, it trips a light. $100 @ dealer to turn off. At least you bought an older model. The later model ones have been having issues with the high pressure fuel pump coming apart and destroying the fuel system. Only $5 to 10k to repair. :banghead I came very close to buying one of the later model wagons, but just couldn't get past the maintenance $$$ aspect. Truly not trying to rain on your parade. Don't be too quick to sell your Metro. Just my 2 cents worth. :hmm

:gp

As a 'recovering' VW diesel guy, I can tell you this is right. Great when they are behaving, a NIGHTMARE when they aren't.

I don't care too much for early 2000s VWs...any of them.
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Brandon8791
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yeah I've read that the motor itself will be fine for about a million miles, just have to keep maintainance up and keep it blower out, learned that from our 6.0 turbo diesel lol. can't putt putt in it, the transmissions from 98-03 had issues, but the 2004 and up transmissions seem to be fine so I'm hoping to have luck out of it
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Woodie
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Yes, the engine will probably be fine. However after 60K miles, everything else will start nickle and dimeing you to death. And with any German car, the nickles and dimes are 50 and 100 dollar bills.

My perception of VW (since they discovered water) is that they're pretty cool cars off the showroom floor for two to three years. After that, dump it off on some other poor bastard. Buying a used VW is just getting the bad part of the experience.
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metroschultz
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Please just call me; "Schultz"

I used to be a certified VW tech. I worked for Ward VW / Audi / European Sports Car Center in Richmond , Then Browns Volkswagen.
Don't listen to them.
Although some of what has been said is correct.
We helped our daughter purchase a 2001 VW Jetta in 2007.
When it is in good spirits it runs and drives like a dream. A big - ole - sloppy - wet one.
When it is ill, it is a challenge. (I don't feel it is nightmarish)
She has the 5 speed, 2.0 AEG motor, normally aspirated.
It is still quick/fast as #ell.
You will buy tires & brakes for any car you own. These are a little more expensive than some of the others out there.
If you do your own work, you save the labor costs. The VW dealers here are charging $125 per hour. The parts will cost the same whether you install them or pay VW to install them.
I took her car to the dealer for diagnosis once. The CEL was on and my scanner is not VW specific. They charged me $100 for the diag. That was way less expensive than spending $2000 to upgrade my scanner for European cars. The tech came and we talked for a few minutes, he gave me some ideas to try before i spent the money for a new A.I.R. pump. The pump needed mount brackets any way, and the problem was just a broken hose.
The car had 125k on the clock when we got her. At 220k we replaced the clutch. I did some other preventive stuff while I had the trans out.

Some maintenance points to remember;

you will need to purchase some special tools dedicated to VW. A set of trisquare sockets, not to be confused with spline drive/12 point sockets. A tool to set the tension on the timing belt. And some others. You'll learn along the way.

Change the timing belt @ 2/3 of recommended. All VW are interference engines, The tolerance is so close that any misalignment of the belt will cause damage. The belt & related parts are $200. A new cylinder head & related parts is $1500. In rare cases belt breakage will crack pistons.

This doesn't apply to you, but should you choose to own a gas motor, or for those of you who do;
Change the spark plugs every year, I do Krissy's every year around the end of autumn. The book says every 5 years. Don't wait. The ignition system is delicate and keeping the resistance of the secondary side down will save the parts on the primary side.

Whenever you can, buy VW parts. Always buy VW coolant and trans fluid. A Bosch plug is a Bosch plug.

If you stay on top of the maintenance you will be fine. If you buy a used one that has been neglected you will have to play catch up till you get back on track. When we got the one for Krissy, I knew it had issues. The CEL was on due to bad catalytic converters and some other things were wrong as well. The converters were $1800 @ VW. The dealer had already tried to replace them with aftermarket units. That won't work on this car. I bought them offline for $1350.
and,
I was able to get a $6000 car for $3000.
She loves it to this day, I think she has crossed the quarter million mile mark now.

YMMV,
S.
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Hotrodray1
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If you like vw turbo diesels do what my brother is doing put one of those suckers in a Sammy! He is just using the vw engine most every thing else is Sammy but the mounts and adapters.
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Brandon8791
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metroschultz
Jan 24 2016, 09:20 AM
I used to be a certified VW tech. I worked for Ward VW / Audi / European Sports Car Center in Richmond , Then Browns Volkswagen.
Don't listen to them.
Although some of what has been said is correct.
We helped our daughter purchase a 2001 VW Jetta in 2007.
When it is in good spirits it runs and drives like a dream. A big - ole - sloppy - wet one.
When it is ill, it is a challenge. (I don't feel it is nightmarish)
She has the 5 speed, 2.0 AEG motor, normally aspirated.
It is still quick/fast as #ell.
You will buy tires & brakes for any car you own. These are a little more expensive than some of the others out there.
If you do your own work, you save the labor costs. The VW dealers here are charging $125 per hour. The parts will cost the same whether you install them or pay VW to install them.
I took her car to the dealer for diagnosis once. The CEL was on and my scanner is not VW specific. They charged me $100 for the diag. That was way less expensive than spending $2000 to upgrade my scanner for European cars. The tech came and we talked for a few minutes, he gave me some ideas to try before i spent the money for a new A.I.R. pump. The pump needed mount brackets any way, and the problem was just a broken hose.
The car had 125k on the clock when we got her. At 220k we replaced the clutch. I did some other preventive stuff while I had the trans out.

Some maintenance points to remember;

you will need to purchase some special tools dedicated to VW. A set of trisquare sockets, not to be confused with spline drive/12 point sockets. A tool to set the tension on the timing belt. And some others. You'll learn along the way.

Change the timing belt @ 2/3 of recommended. All VW are interference engines, The tolerance is so close that any misalignment of the belt will cause damage. The belt & related parts are $200. A new cylinder head & related parts is $1500. In rare cases belt breakage will crack pistons.

This doesn't apply to you, but should you choose to own a gas motor, or for those of you who do;
Change the spark plugs every year, I do Krissy's every year around the end of autumn. The book says every 5 years. Don't wait. The ignition system is delicate and keeping the resistance of the secondary side down will save the parts on the primary side.

Whenever you can, buy VW parts. Always buy VW coolant and trans fluid. A Bosch plug is a Bosch plug.

If you stay on top of the maintenance you will be fine. If you buy a used one that has been neglected you will have to play catch up till you get back on track. When we got the one for Krissy, I knew it had issues. The CEL was on due to bad catalytic converters and some other things were wrong as well. The converters were $1800 @ VW. The dealer had already tried to replace them with aftermarket units. That won't work on this car. I bought them offline for $1350.
and,
I was able to get a $6000 car for $3000.
She loves it to this day, I think she has crossed the quarter million mile mark now.

YMMV,
S.
that was some great info I really appreciate you taking the time to write that much. I do have a car fax of all maintainance done since it was brand new til 145k miles, the 2nd owner was a mechanic and kept a notebook full of maintainance records, it isn't on the carfax but I have paperwork of everything. Then the 3rd owner got it n kept it 9 months. They replaced the tie rods and did an alignment right before I got it. the car is sitting at 263.5k n runs like it's new. The only thing worrying me is the timing belt and the transmission solenoids. The timing belt I see prices from like u said 200 up to 400. The transmission I'm told has 2 solenoids n cost 200 a piece if they ever act up *flaring between gears* I'm hoping doing the tranny fluid ever 80k by flushing 3 quarts. add 3, running it, flushing 3 again then adding new will keep it going.
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Woodie
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I hate to disagree with Schultz, you're a great mechanic and a Prince among men. But here are four things snipped from your post, any one of which tells me "F no, I'm not having any of that".
metroschultz
Jan 24 2016, 09:20 AM
you will need to purchase some special tools dedicated to VW. A set of trisquare sockets, not to be confused with spline drive/12 point sockets. A tool to set the tension on the timing belt. And some others. You'll learn along the way.

Change the timing belt @ 2/3 of recommended. All VW are interference engines, The tolerance is so close that any misalignment of the belt will cause damage. The belt & related parts are $200. A new cylinder head & related parts is $1500. In rare cases belt breakage will crack pistons.

Whenever you can, buy VW parts. Always buy VW coolant and trans fluid. A Bosch plug is a Bosch plug.

The converters were $1800 @ VW. The dealer had already tried to replace them with aftermarket units. That won't work on this car. I bought them offline for $1350.
Edited by Woodie, Jan 25 2016, 05:27 AM.
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Brandon8791
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so far I've went around 200 miles on it maybe more with no issues so far
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gamefoo21
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AEG should have an NGK plug, the Bosch plugs cause problems on those engines!

Bah, you can get proper aftermarket coolant for VW's easily now.

If it's a PD(Pumpeduese) TDI make damn sure you run Rotella T6 0w40/5w40 in the engine, they are fussy about the oil needing enough ZDDP, and the newer oils don't play nice.

Miele is cheap, Chinese, and going to be often to replace.

The TripleSquare bits, are everywhere now.

If you want to use an aftermarket converter, you have to use an O2 sensor spacer. It's what I did with the Fiance's and it's rocking a Magnaflow unit, the aftermarket ones do use far less catalytic material, and that's why the computer gets grumpy about them, because they look like they are well used to the computer.

1998 Beetle AEG 2.0L with the horrible O1M 4spd Auto, supporter here. :lol

The 1.9L TDI engines are pretty good engines, just take care of it, clean the intake and EGR. Change the oil with Rotella T6 and do it on schedule. Change the fuel filter, change the coolant unless it's been changed recently. Check the air filter, clean the MAF, change all of the vacuum lines!
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j63812f
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:rocker the only cars that can get the fuel mileage that these cars do.
Edited by j63812f, Feb 2 2016, 10:35 PM.
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