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| banginmetro64 | Feb 2 2016, 10:20 AM Post #16 |
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i cannot believe how much hate there is on this car in this friendly forum. |
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| PTA2PTB | Feb 2 2016, 12:31 PM Post #17 |
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I'm totally awesome! I swear.
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It's not the car, or should we say "the concept of the car", that we dislike, it's its CEO, that many of us liken to a Bernie Madoff; who, 5 yrs from now, after he's finally "gotten caught", all the people that are currently waiting in line for their promised car from their deposits, will be crying that he "Madoff" with their money. |
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| idmetro | Feb 2 2016, 05:10 PM Post #18 |
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With the company inception in 2008 it does seem like it's taking an awfully long time to get more than a Prototype on the road... I'd be VERY interested in taking one for a spin but so far that's not possible. I'd also be interested in seeing it in person; and since I'm on their email list I kind of expected an email saying they'd be in my neck of the woods and I should come have a look. Instead they sort of failed to mention they would be in the neighborhood (and they were very close to me), consequently I've pretty much stopped believing their propaganda. If you look at the emails they send it's virtually all marketing and very, very, very little substance. Want to see for yourself? This is copied from their website: Delivery Once you order, you’re going to want it in your hands as soon as humanly possible. How does 24 hours sound? That’s right. We’re talking clean and ready with all the extras – waiting at the Retail Center – within 24 hours of your order. Edited by idmetro, Feb 2 2016, 05:15 PM.
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| Metromightymouse | Feb 3 2016, 04:08 AM Post #19 |
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It's like Geo Jeff, we get a little worked up when people are being taken advantage of. There has been little done to show that this is a legitimate proposal, and a quick look at the numbers he says he is expecting shows that he has no hope of getting that many orders and is dealing with a fantasy. |
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| myredvert | Feb 3 2016, 08:58 AM Post #20 |
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I noticed the home page of their website and the commercials that are all over cable now say up to 84 mpg and targeted $6,800* base price I could find nowhere on their Main page were the "*" was explained (like we don't already know what that means. I'm shocked Elio to put an asterisk on something so important and didn't include the explanation in plain sight. ![]() We've been waiting for it, and now here it comes. And I don't mean an actual delivered vehicle. I mean the BIG Tap Dance we have all been waiting for. Still no word of the IAV engine or the related control and instrumentation systems installed and tested in one of their vehicles, and I have yet to read a single non-evasive word about the transaxle having been designed and built, yet they are now promising deliveries later this year. All I can say is, "Man, those guys must be
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| GeoStalker | Feb 3 2016, 11:46 AM Post #21 |
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"Chicks dig me and guys think I'm cool."
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Or just take a stock Metro, cut a third of its width out and weld it back together, and call it a Bogetro!! That's what my buddy did with an old, rusted out 90 Metro, and it averages 60 mpg. Of course, this one is a 4-wheeler but the rear wheels are so close together it feels like a 3-wheeler.
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| Freeman | Feb 3 2016, 12:02 PM Post #22 |
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This is amazing. I've lost respect for some YouTuber's after their 'review' of the Elio. You can't say stuff like, "Gets 84 MPG" followed by, "This prototype uses a less efficient Geo Metro motor" and, "We can't take it above 25 mph". They haven't made a prototype with their motor in it, from what I have seen. I just want some actual proof that this thing is going to be in production. This isn't taking into consideration all the issues with it being a motorcycle or anything like that. I have a co-worker, older man, who put $1000 down on an Elio. I just shook my head and got a little sad. He saw the ad in a magazine and immediately put down the money. Let's pretend this thing comes out and it is the next Tesla, but way cheaper of course. If there is a line, I can wait. I'll definitely pick one up. But buying something before a solid prototype with EPA numbers even exists is ridiculous. |
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| GeoStalker | Feb 3 2016, 12:08 PM Post #23 |
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"Chicks dig me and guys think I'm cool."
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This guy did a review of the Elio prototype and called the Geo Metro prototype engine "crummy." How can a Geo Metro 3 cylinder 1.0 liter engine, pulling a reduced weight 1200 pound Elio at 55 horsepower, provide anything other than excellent power?? Was he expecting a V-8 engine? It would tear the Elio apart!! |
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| idmetro | Feb 4 2016, 08:30 AM Post #24 |
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Perhaps in a few years I'll be able to purchase the prototype repower it with a G10 and actually get to drive one... |
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| Murf 59 | Feb 4 2016, 11:00 AM Post #25 |
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With a well built G10, this thing could cook down the road. But its a unicorn. |
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| GeoStalker | Feb 4 2016, 11:37 AM Post #26 |
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"Chicks dig me and guys think I'm cool."
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| ONEHARDHEAD | Feb 4 2016, 01:01 PM Post #27 |
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Motorcycles with far smaller engines and far less weight struggle to get 45-50 mpg, I don't see how probable it is for a 3-wheeler to hit over 80. To me the physics are just too great to overcome. The G10 would make a good benchmark engine to compare to in fuel efficiency, but even using it I still don't see 84. This is all a moot point if we never even see a proper prototype. |
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| dayle1960 | Feb 4 2016, 03:00 PM Post #28 |
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Fastest Hampster EVER
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What does an ELIO weigh? I'm sure if it's half the weight of a Metro then it should get better than 50ish mpg. |
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| myredvert | Feb 4 2016, 04:22 PM Post #29 |
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What if it actually is a crummy G10? It's Elio - do you expect them to send their G10s to someone like Glenn for a real rebuild? For all we know, they could have slapped together a half-assed (or worse) rebuild in it just to have something that allows the Creamcycle to move under it's own power. ![]() Nah. The actual weight, frontal area, coefficient of drag, Coefficient of Rolling Resistance of the Elio, and the resultant hp required for any given condition, combined with even the nominally expected efficiency of any professionally designed engine using the technological and design advances of the last few decades would tend to disagree. The factors I listed are just some of the relevant parameters that actually need to be used for a reliable prediction of performance - not "motorcyles do this, or Metro's do that..." Attempting to compare the performance of two vehicles with very different drag, weight, and engine efficiency values is not using physics, it's guessing. Even a G10 in an Elio would be operating at a lower efficiency than the same G10 in a Metro because of the significantly lower hp requirements for any given condition, making such a "guessparisons" even more unreliable. An Elio at some modest stabilized "highway" speed such as 55 mph, mid 80s for fuel economy should be expected - even using a relatively inefficient (by today's design standards) G10 in it. Even if a real Elio is ever built, I still wouldn't ever expect to see any type of actual EPA Cycle results. Since it's not required, having a real testing facility do real testing and reporting actual EPA numbers seems like much too big of a stretch for Elio. They'll probably pick some condition that provides numbers that fit favorable in their marketing approach, and hope no one notices what they really are (or aren't). In my opinion, achieving 80+ mpg on the highway with a "clean sheet" 2 seat 3 wheeled vehicle that uses a fair amount of composites and a modern engine isn't even all that impressive. In fact, with a handful of some simple modifications, if I couldn't get 70 mpg @ 50 mph or higher out of my otherwise stock Metro with a 4.39, I would slap the boneheads who designed the modifications and rebuilt the engine upside the head. Physics seems to suggest that a Metro with a properly rebuilt spec G10 along with extensive and well designed modifications actually could be turned into a 3 wheeled vehicle that could threaten the 100 mpg mark at speeds of 50 mph and possibly higher. The real challenge is it would take a Coefficient of Drag close to or lower than virtually any factory concept car to date has ever achieved, and that definitely couldn't happen just by slapping on some coroplast and removing a mirror - it would take the equivalent of removing about 20 mirrors and then some. While I disagree that discussing the reality of physics as it relates to any design is a moot point, I would agree that discussing the Elio as if it is ever going to see any type of significant production, or be successful by any reasonable standard likely is. What saddens me is how many of them could be on the road already if they had just been building hand made kits for people to slap some little engine in. |
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| sser2 | Feb 4 2016, 04:33 PM Post #30 |
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1,200 lb vs. 1,600 lb of Metro. And, as in the review, the Elio carries no spare tire. I think real mpg would be about 60-65. There is always hype in the EPA mileage. Prius, for example is 50 mpg on every billboard, but in reality, fuel-conscious drivers get 40-45. With aeromods, weight reduction, and LRR tires, Metro can get close to 60-65. All in all, I believe Metro is a better car. It is a real car to begin with. It can seat 5. A hatchback has very impressive cargo capability. With proper tires, it will go where only 4WD venture. It is versatile, good for city and countryside, a dependable workhorse. It is very well designed and easy to work on. I have a first generation Honda Insight. This car has REAL 70-80 mph highway mileage. Cool car, like Elio. But in all other aspects it is inferior to the Metro. It is a strict 2-seater, virtually no cargo space or cargo capacity, terrible in winter driving or on unpaved roads. Even if Elio was selling now for 6,800, I am not interested. If it is a 1,500 used car, I'd vote for Metro with my both hands. |
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