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Toyota kills off Scion brand.; 2002-2016, RIP!
Topic Started: Feb 4 2016, 06:24 AM (1,930 Views)
Metromightymouse
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Again, world class Drivers and automotive critics, while comparing it to a Lambo, Porsche, Camaro, Jag, Shelby GT500, McLaren, GTR, MB C63, ranked it 4th best drivers car. Randy Pobst ranked it second. Stop and think about that for a second. These guys all got out of massively powered supercars, some that were designed to be race cars on the street, all with at least 200 more horsepower, and as a group ranked it fourth. And price wasn't considered. It was $29,000 cheaper than the next cheaper car, which it beat.

You buy these cars for the joy they give you. They do it in different ways. The $400k Lamborghini apparently does it by letting you show off your wealth, since it came in last. Giving it more power would have cost more money. 4th on that list of cars says that it's a damn good deal and if you like to drive instead of just drag race, it's a hell of a car.

You would think that on a Metro forum, the HP is everything mindset wouldn't be so ingrained.
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Feb 4 2016, 05:05 PM
A 14 sec car is a normal everyday sedan today. No big deal, probably every V6 piwered and up daily driver car sold can do that. FRZ should be quicker for what you pay for. Thats the point, a 20 yo or older Fox body Mustang did that and better for not much money in mods, some were free. A modern spirts car should be quicker, not talking 10 seconds, but at least quicker than a antiquated Ford that weighs twice as much.
No no no.

Virtually every V6 Sedan today costs more than an 86, but never mind that.

What are you stuck on comparing it to a Fox Mustang? Tell me, how much did a Fox Mustang cost new in 1990?

Put a 1993 GT on a road course against a bone stock 86, and the 86 absolutely dominates it in every fashion.

Why do you insist on comparing it to cars it isn't meant to be compared against?

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Cobrajet25
Feb 5 2016, 12:34 AM
MarkZ28
Feb 4 2016, 05:05 PM
A 14 sec car is a normal everyday sedan today. No big deal, probably every V6 powered and up daily driver car sold can do that.
:gp This.

A V6 Toyota Camry has 268 horsepower, will do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds, and will do a quarter mile in 14.2 seconds at 101 mph.

If a Camry sedan is whuppin' your sports car's ass at the track, your sports car isn't fast enough. :lol
You realize the term "sports car" has literally nothing to do with straight line speed? Look at a Triumph TR-6, or an NA Miata, or even a Z3, none are fast in a line, but they're great sports cars.
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z34-5speed
Feb 5 2016, 09:29 AM
Cobrajet25
Feb 5 2016, 12:34 AM
MarkZ28
Feb 4 2016, 05:05 PM
A 14 sec car is a normal everyday sedan today. No big deal, probably every V6 powered and up daily driver car sold can do that.
:gp This.

A V6 Toyota Camry has 268 horsepower, will do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds, and will do a quarter mile in 14.2 seconds at 101 mph.

If a Camry sedan is whuppin' your sports car's ass at the track, your sports car isn't fast enough. :lol
You realize the term "sports car" has literally nothing to do with straight line speed? Look at a Triumph TR-6, or an NA Miata, or even a Z3, none are fast in a line, but they're great sports cars.
I'll add that when you say track I don't envision a dragstrip and I doubt that any stock Camry could beat a BRZ on any real track.

Power is fine and if that is what you really enjoy, more power :P to ya. Not everyone believes that HP and straight line speed are the be all end all. It does happen to be a cultural thing and why most Europeans hate American cars.
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Feb 4 2016, 11:34 AM
if you have ever driven a frs or brz on a track you would understand why they were built. if not then you have no idea. i have driven them on the track here in phx and they are so much fun. it does not have to he a HP monster for it to be fun. shit, even on the streets they are a blast. really drive one and you will understand. not tool around but actually drive one!!!
:rocker cool car!
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when i drove my buddies on the track i was destroying all the fox mustangs and cobras. those cars are appealing because of the mustang name. they are/were not top sports cars by no means. oh yeah, i would take a 99-04 mustang over an old pushrod 5.0 almost every day. only mustang worth having in the older years was the LX 5.0. the gt mustangs were weight hogs and dog slow because of the elephant heavy hatch and glass.
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I don't care for circle track racing due to classing. If you're doing it just to have fun, a slower car is more fun since you can handle it much better. I know my 89 Civic (Si variant) is a BEAST in the stock class it falls into. That is the racing a lot of Miata fans, BRZ and FRS folks all fall into. I've never been one to do time attack or autox racing, so I stick to straight lines. For me, straight line racing is about putting high dollar cars to shame. A good acquaintance of mine has a 10 second (10.9 is still 10s) mid 90s civic that he has $5,000~ into. Seeing his POS dust guys in their dyno queen drag cars and high dollar sports coupes is priceless. Of course it falls into an unlimited class and in reality isn't very fast when it comes to classing. But test and tune track days are the level of my hobby.

And when it comes down to it, this is a hobby for most folks. A track weekend is just a hobby. The FRS/BRZ is a great, low budget, newer, reliable, hobbyist car.
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This is a 13 second car...

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SI or regular? guessing SI!
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Feb 5 2016, 07:19 PM
SI or regular? guessing SI!
V6 accord
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Metromightymouse
Feb 5 2016, 09:38 AM
z34-5speed
Feb 5 2016, 09:29 AM
Cobrajet25
Feb 5 2016, 12:34 AM
MarkZ28
Feb 4 2016, 05:05 PM
A 14 sec car is a normal everyday sedan today. No big deal, probably every V6 powered and up daily driver car sold can do that.
:gp This.

A V6 Toyota Camry has 268 horsepower, will do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds, and will do a quarter mile in 14.2 seconds at 101 mph.

If a Camry sedan is whuppin' your sports car's ass at the track, your sports car isn't fast enough. :lol
You realize the term "sports car" has literally nothing to do with straight line speed? Look at a Triumph TR-6, or an NA Miata, or even a Z3, none are fast in a line, but they're great sports cars.
I'll add that when you say track I don't envision a dragstrip and I doubt that any stock Camry could beat a BRZ on any real track.

Power is fine and if that is what you really enjoy, more power :P to ya. Not everyone believes that HP and straight line speed are the be all end all. It does happen to be a cultural thing and why most Europeans hate American cars.
The original query pertained to whether or not the 86 was under-powered, not whether or not it is a great, fun, tossable car. It's 0-60 time...long the benchmark of a vehicle's power...was brought up, and it turns out that in a straight line race even a Camry is faster. That may mean the 86 IS under-powered, but more likely the Camry is just OVERPOWERED...a point I have made before.

I am not saying the 86 is a bad car. It's pretty damned cool. My only point was that it may have room to get faster since it is no longer going to be part of the 'budget' Scion line and will now be a full-fledged Toyota.
Edited by Cobrajet25, Feb 6 2016, 04:46 AM.
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Which was probably designed in so they had somewhere to go with improvements.
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Feb 6 2016, 05:35 AM
Which was probably designed in so they had somewhere to go with improvements.
I guess we will see what Toyota does with it! Should be interesting.

Scion died because Toyota didn't adapt it to the changing circumstances of it's target audience. They should have come out with an extremely inexpensive Mirage-like hatchback or Versa-like sedan and called it the "Scion xC"...for X-tra Cheap...and I am sure it would have sold like wildfire.

But instead, they said, "Fuck you, Mr. Millennial. Even though you have $50,000 in student loans, work at a coffee shop, and live with your parents, we are still gonna need at least $18,000 from you."

Bad move. I guess Millennials had the last laugh...
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Feb 4 2016, 11:07 AM
MarkZ28
Feb 4 2016, 10:36 AM
The FRS was sold and promoted to be this big deal of a sports car with great performance.
I'm pretty sure that's not they had in mind with the FRS. I never once heard it was supposed to be a 0-60 competitor.
Sports car performance is a matter of handling and autosports related stuff, horsepower and 0-60 is a muscle car thing. It does fairly well as a sports car, but the new miata kills it in terms of fun and handling.
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