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| cwatkin | Apr 6 2016, 09:00 PM Post #16 |
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Yeah, many are going this way. Even the ES Mirage has this. I drove one. Conor |
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| Cobrajet25 | Apr 7 2016, 08:04 AM Post #17 |
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Had I been given the choice of ordering my ES without the proximity key, I would have done it. I was very leery of this technology, and thought of it as just 'something else to go wrong'. Having lived with the proximity key for over a year, I can say now that I LOVE IT. Just walk up to the car, push the black button near the door handle to unlock (or the unlock button on the transmitter), hop in, stab the clutch, push the ignition button, and GO. Proximity keys are actually 1990s technology, having first appeared on the 1997 Mercedes S-Class. It's no surprise that we are seeing this tech on economy cars today, and these systems have become quite reliable. Since my Mirage is a delivery car, that ignition button has been pushed THOUSANDS of times, and the system has never skipped a beat. The proximity key on my car actually has a real key that slides out of it and can be used in a conventional lock on the passenger door. There is a slot in the console that the key can be inserted into if the transmitter battery is completely dead which will allow the car to be started. Pretty cool! |
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| cwatkin | Apr 7 2016, 10:47 PM Post #18 |
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That is good to know the Mirage has a fail safe. I knew about the key in the fob to get inside but didn't know there was a backup key slot inside the car. I am sure most of this stuff is solid state and relays take care of the heavy loads. I have noticed on some new cars with keys that there is a slight delay and then the car cranks until it starts whether or not you hold the key to "start" or not. I guess this stuff is pretty reliable unless we get hit by an EMP attack and then all our cars will just become scrap unless you have ready spares for many of the electronic ignition components. Conor |
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| mt999999 | Apr 8 2016, 10:08 AM Post #19 |
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EMP? Conspiracy much? ![]() I honestly don't know what to think of that. I think it is possible, but that discussion could probably fill a whole thread by it's self! It would be an interesting one. I've noticed the same ignition pattern in my HHR and Mirage. I got used to letting the key back quickly in the HHR because it still started, but once I got the Metro, I had to get used to a "normal" ignition. At first, I frequently need two attempts to start the Metro because of this...
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| cwatkin | Apr 8 2016, 11:19 AM Post #20 |
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Yeah, I noticed this too. Also, on the push button Mirage, I hit the button and there was a tiny delay, then the car took care of the rest. Conor |
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| myredvert | Apr 8 2016, 03:54 PM Post #21 |
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So much violence these days. I prefer not to stab a clutch - especially a hydraulic one. With my luck it would bleed out before I got home...
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| terry8750 | Apr 8 2016, 07:55 PM Post #22 |
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everyone always ask me why i put so much money into my metro ?shit like this is why .on my 07 commander a new key is 150 bucks. and yea your can get a blank cut to get in but if the alarm is armed is will go off even if you unlock the doors with the key or if the window is down and you unlock the door without disarming the fob it will go off and disable the vehicle . |
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| Cobrajet25 | Apr 9 2016, 04:25 AM Post #23 |
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Hadn't thought about it like this, but the Mirage has a CABLE clutch!
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| mt999999 | Apr 9 2016, 09:10 AM Post #24 |
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You beat me to it! The dealer told me that it was belt-assisted some how. I only wish the throttle had a cable as well. My Metro seems to "get up and go" a lot faster, and I think that's the reason why. I feel like I'm driving a slug when I try to take off in the Mirage. |
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| mt999999 | Apr 9 2016, 09:11 AM Post #25 |
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No kidding! Stabbing clutches and hitting the ignition buttons...
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| myredvert | Apr 9 2016, 09:44 AM Post #26 |
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"Feel like," but what's it actually doing? ![]() Even slug races between a Metro and Mirage should be timed and the longitudinal g forces measured in order to objectively evaluate the relative performance of each. ![]() Edited by myredvert, Apr 9 2016, 09:45 AM.
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| mt999999 | Apr 9 2016, 09:49 AM Post #27 |
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It could be in my head. Driving a Metro feels like driving driving a tiny race car, even if you aren't going fast. Plus it is a lot lighter. I'd prefer the one that feels faster to me. I'd rather keep the new Mirage nice. It's killing me having to drive it every day at the moment. I took the Metro for a spin for the first time in the last month yesterday, and the CV joint sounded absolutely horrible. Not to mention the rear brakes and bearings. It was kind of scary driving it...
Edited by mt999999, Apr 9 2016, 09:50 AM.
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| cwatkin | Apr 10 2016, 11:09 AM Post #28 |
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Yes, the Metro is like a big go kart but so is the Mirage although maybe not quite as much. That is what is fun about these types of cars. I can tell the Mirage has more power by how it maintains or gains speed on hills, etc. Conor |
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| Shinrin | Apr 10 2016, 02:52 PM Post #29 |
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So chip keys aren't dealer only for the most part anymore. Depends on the manufacturer. Wal-Mart cuts chip keys from 30-70 depending on the vehicle. Not a huge selection, and its key and chip only, no buttons or anything like that. Most of the keys just have the data from the original chip copied onto them, so you end up with two keys that read identical. Some you do a 30 second process in the car and your vehicle programs them. |
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| nwgeo | Apr 10 2016, 04:46 PM Post #30 |
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On a 2010 dodge it is dealer only, and $200 for the "smart" key, $400 for the main key and spare key. And can AAA or a tow rig get into your car to help you out if you lose your $200 key. $400 is more than I paid for my DD geo, and I got it with an engine and transmission. I would rather have the older regular metal key and just an unlock/find/panic fob along with, that was the best. IMHO I really don't like not being able to get into the car with a dead battery. And this digital stuff does go bad/semi bad just google it... heaven help you if you have a lemon ignition system. Also, the lock unlock on the doors is a little electric solenoid, and windows are a small motor and these go bad after a time. Hey I like electric windows.... unless I think about going off the road into a lake and trying to get out... then give me the manual roll up or down, or having to fix the electrics when they start having problems.
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