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| nourishablegecko | Nov 14 2016, 02:34 PM Post #61 |
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When I turned the crankshaft one revolution, the camshaft had the one dot on the arm of the crank pointing straight down. At TDC, should my cam crank have the white dot that's drawn on it point down, or up? It's opposite of the metal dot on one of the crank legs. |
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| Crvett69 | Nov 14 2016, 02:35 PM Post #62 |
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with the crank turned one more revolution the dot will be straight up. |
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| nourishablegecko | Nov 14 2016, 02:40 PM Post #63 |
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Sorry Crvett I guess I'm just confused. Here is what I know; In the pictures freegeo posted, there is a metal dot and a metal mark on the cam pulley pointing straight up towards the notch on the valve cover. On my car, I have the metal dot and metal mark pointed straight up to the mark on the valve cover, but the distributor is 180 off. On my crank, there is a white mark along with a recessed mark on the crank that I have lined up. I am nearly positive the crank is aligned correctly, and feel as though my cam may be installed the wrong way. My biggest question is, how can my first picture look like freegeo's, with the metal dot on the cam pulley pointing straight up, yet my distributor is exactly 180 off from his second picture? |
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| Crvett69 | Nov 14 2016, 02:44 PM Post #64 |
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turn the engine till the white dot on the camshaft is straight up. look at the crank gear it will but on the lower mark too. the crank gear is half the size of the camshaft gear so it has to turn 2 times to make the camshaft turn 1 time. so 1 revolution of the CRANKSHAFT will move the CAMSHAFT 1/2 of a revolution. ignore the cam, it doesn't exist right now, while watching crank marks only turn it one revolutuon then look at the cam gear |
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| monzanut | Nov 14 2016, 03:05 PM Post #65 |
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Think I see what you are asking...in your picture of your camshaft gear, while the round mark in the gear is pointed up, looks like you have a white mark over the notch next to the teeth that is pointed down. If that is the notch that is painted white, that notch is supposed to be on the top side, you are 1 rotation of the cam off and the distributor is where it should be. While keeping the crank mark up, you would need to pull the belt and carefully rotate cam without shoving valves into a piston around to the correct location now that the head is installed. |
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| Crvett69 | Nov 14 2016, 03:08 PM Post #66 |
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wrong, you are half a revolution of the cam off. if you will turn the crankshaft one revolution i will cast a magic spell and the mark on cam will be straight up |
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| Crvett69 | Nov 14 2016, 03:09 PM Post #67 |
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also the 3 cyl metro is a non valve bending engine. burning yes, bending no |
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| nourishablegecko | Nov 14 2016, 03:25 PM Post #68 |
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Okay, went back out. Here's what I took and what I see. You obviously know the engine much better than I do, so tell me if you see anything I've missed. http://imgur.com/a/7uBDx I should mention that when I was having an issue getting it to crank earlier, I was getting a code for P0340 (crankshaft position sensor), and then reconnected the wire going to the starter, and then it was starting to crank. I did not check if I still have the code yet, but can go and do that if you think it might still be related. I never pulled the oil pan, but I did pull the sensor to clean it and am thinking that it's possible that it's now not reading correctly. What's next? |
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| Crvett69 | Nov 14 2016, 03:36 PM Post #69 |
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looks like the wire to the crankshaft sensor (one on bottom front of engine below the belts) is not plugged in all the way. i can't tell if the crankshaft mark is lined up with mark behind it or not. you would need to take the bottom pulley back off to see if it is. might want to clear the codes and try to start it again after you do those things and see if the code comes back. not sure on new ones but think there are still a couple ground wires that bolt on to the rear of the intake below the throttle body |
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| monzanut | Nov 14 2016, 03:37 PM Post #70 |
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lol, should of known better to try and comment on this...I know what it looks like from changing my own belt, but sure gets confusing on what he is trying to ask. curious, what was the result of your original questioning the mark you made for tdc on the cam gear and distributor being 180 deg off when changing the head? Isn't there a dowel pin on the gear so only goes on one direction, and since distributor is said to only go in one way (don't remember how it worked when I pulled my distributor to inspect), would think there is no way to install incorrect.
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| monzanut | Nov 14 2016, 03:42 PM Post #71 |
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is the wetness on the block oil leak from the crank seal? I've had oil into a plug before cause havoc on the ground. |
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| David95237 | Nov 14 2016, 03:49 PM Post #72 |
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looks to me that you managed to put your distributor in the wrong direction. It only goes in one way but can be forced in wrong. The dowel on the cam must be down and the distributor point up. |
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| nourishablegecko | Nov 14 2016, 03:51 PM Post #73 |
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I thought I pressed the sensor all the way in and made sure it was connected, but maybe I didn't do it right.. I cleared the code but I'll try and start again and see if it comes back. Can it be damaging to the engine to keep trying to get this thing started over and over? It smells a lot like fuel up top and there is a quite a bit of fuel coming out the intake, and still backfires out the intake. After working on the timing again I do believe that the cam is definitely set right now, and I'm almost positive the crank is too. I guess I'll pull the pulley again and check. |
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| Crvett69 | Nov 14 2016, 03:52 PM Post #74 |
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did the distributor slip all the way in or did you have to suck it up tight with the 2 bolts? |
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| nourishablegecko | Nov 14 2016, 03:55 PM Post #75 |
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Into the cam? It went in easy; when I had the head out of the car, it would not go in at all and I was struggling with it, and am pretty sure I forced it in the wrong way but I then disassembled it and put it back in the right way. I think it's correct now, but I honestly might have to pull it and check. |
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