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| scott gordon | Oct 31 2017, 09:09 AM Post #1 |
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Gentlemen, do I need a 1998 or later gas tank and fuel lines for the Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor function of the modern fuel injection of a 16V engine? Is that sensor in tank, or external in a line or something? Will 1998 or later tank fit into 1992 convertible? Steering column- do I need to put in a 1998 or later steering column into 1992 convertible to adapt 1998 1.3BB and related wiring harnesses? Thank you!!! |
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| freegeo | Oct 31 2017, 09:23 AM Post #2 |
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Check out the link. Stiffchezze did a 1.6 conversion into a vert. It might answer some of your questions. http://geometroforum.com/topic/8048646/1/ |
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| geogonfa | Oct 31 2017, 12:41 PM Post #3 |
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Welcome to the Fun...
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| 91 ragtop | Nov 1 2017, 05:37 PM Post #4 |
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That transplant that stiffcheese did had a distributor that might have been less involved than swapping in a distributorless ignition into an older car. There's alot of things out of the newer car that have to be swapped. Way over my head. Ken......... |
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| Stiffchezze | Nov 1 2017, 07:31 PM Post #5 |
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Nope, Topless is distributor-less! Oddly enough it's not as much stuff as you would think. Or at least you would if some moron would get off his butt and update his protect thread. But I do like it when my name comes up!
Welcome! ![]() Lets get you set up. 1) You don't' need a 1998 or later gas tank. No need. BUT you will need to change out the fuel pump. The one for the 3cyl just won't give you the pressures you need. 2) The fuel tank sensor is attached to the fuel tank. It's not set up this way, but you can tie it into the fuel vapor line, if you relocate the vapor check valve on top of the tank. Your best bet is to get all the goodies on top of a 1998+ tank though including wiring harness. You will need the vapor control valve and the vent valve too. None of this will affect the engine, it will just turn on the check engine light. 3) From what I've seen the tank won't fit. Basically, the evap canister and controls were moved from under the hood to the top of the fuel tank.In the later models You can move it back, but it's tight. 4) Nothing to do with the steering column. You best bet is to remember that the engine is separate from the rest of the car. Blinkers, brake lights, head lights etc, have there own harnesses. This swap is not for the faint of heart. It is doable (and fun! ) but it is VERY time consuming and not cheap if done right. You have to become INTIMATELY familiar with the electrical system from both your donor car AND your project car. (50+ electrical connections to make) Also this swap will require a mix of parts from ALL years and models of Metro's including some GT parts. Not many parts, but some very important ones. You'll even have to make some parts from scratch.Do LOTS, and LOTS, and LOTS of research before you get started. Definitely for a project car, this is not a weekend swap for a DD. I'll be happy to help any way I can. ![]() |
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| suzukitom | Nov 1 2017, 08:17 PM Post #6 |
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Something you should know is that Suzuki built 2 factory versions of the convertible. The Cultus and Swift branded convertibles were sold in LHD and RHD versions in many countries outside North America, and came only with a factory G13BB 16V TBI SOHC 4 cylinder engine. The Geo Metro convertible sold only in North America which was only available with the G10 TBI engine. Stiffchezze swapped in a G16B 16V MPFI OBD2 engine from an Esteem, making his car very unique. If you wanted to do a G13BB MPFI swap using a North American spec engine, you would likely be best off getting a 1998 to 2001 donor car. If you wanted your Metro vert to be equipped like the Suzuki Swift and Cultus convertibles with a factory G13BB 16V TBI drivetrain, parts are still available for import! Or you can import a 1991-1992 vert into USA, now that they are more than 25 years old. ![]() Edited by suzukitom, Nov 1 2017, 08:18 PM.
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| scott gordon | Nov 2 2017, 07:56 AM Post #7 |
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Fantastic, Guys! Thank you very much for your voices of experience. I have almost every detail covered (famous last words!), and parts cars available- but several hours away. I have a list for a parts run, but would like to catalog everything here and discuss with you all to make for the best chance of getting whatever I need from the parts cars in one trip. Those details- WOW! Thanks again. I feel a lot more confident about everything/gas tank related stuff now. If you don't mind, I'll make a list/photos of what's here and show you guys. I really appreciate it. |
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| geogonfa | Nov 2 2017, 11:05 AM Post #8 |
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Just curious...what part of Texas? And yes the gas tank will fit but your going to need the fuel lines with it... they are compression fittings where as your vert has hoses and clamps... if you stick with the original tank all your going to need to get a better fuel pump... |
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| scott gordon | Nov 3 2017, 07:43 AM Post #9 |
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Howdy, Hutto! I'm in Austin- close to you. What are you doing tomorrow, Saturday 11/4? Near you in Holland at Little River Dragway my Vert will be pulling a trailer/flat track race bike to the Twist-Off day of dirt (11am start) and pavement drag races. Come join- bring gear if you ride, take a spin on the bike. 512-934-1903, Scott. Upping the Metro's HP for towing is a central goal, along with ponies for running the A/C, as I get heat stroke. Back to the gas tank/lines upgrade: the best thing is to get a '98 or later gas tank, new '98 fuel pump/screen, and all fuel lines? Can fit into 1992 body? Thanks mucho! |
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| Stiffchezze | Nov 3 2017, 10:18 AM Post #10 |
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Now just to get this out of the way, Metro's are not the best idea for a tow rig. The owners manual specifically says "do not tow." Now I am away that many folks on the forum and elsewhere are/have towed with their Metro, and to each his own. But while the verts brakes are better than most of the Metro's, they are still undersized for stopping a towing rig. Even the 3-cyl can get a tow rig moving but moving is one thing, stopping (Especially in an emergency) is a whole other ball of wax.(climbs down off of soap box )For what this conversion is going to cost in time AND money, you would be WAY, WAY money ahead to find an old beat to hell S-10 for towing and leave the vert for long drives at twilight with the top down. I have no issues out of my 3-cyl in Rudolph running the A/C at full blast on a 95+ deg, 100% humidity Alabama summer. Just fyi. As for the tank, if geogonfa says it will fit, I'm very much inclined to trust him. But seriously, all you have to do is change out the fuel pump. That's it. A whole lot less work, because trust me, (I'm speaking from experience here) you're in for a WHOLE lot of it elsewhere.
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| geogonfa | Nov 3 2017, 10:29 AM Post #11 |
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Wish I could...But, I have a few Metros to get work done on and my heavy lifter helper is only available on Saturdays...Little River is always fun...
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| Mythstae | Nov 5 2017, 04:07 PM Post #12 |
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![]() Does this mean it should be do-able to drop my 1.3L from my 2001 Swift into my 1994 wagon?
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| Mythstae | Nov 5 2017, 04:13 PM Post #13 |
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Hm! Check it out... part numbers for engine mounts and stuff! http://suzukat.prokee.hu/siwft1/15.htm Says its for "SF413" at the top.... Pretty sure that's SwiFt 4 Cylinder 1.3 L... ![]() "Motortartók" translates to "Engine Supports". Thanks, Google!
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| Stiffchezze | Nov 5 2017, 04:35 PM Post #14 |
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Sure! Dropping it in is the easy part! All the mount stuff is listed over at my project thread. Having a donor sitting next to your project car will make it SO much easier. Wiring up so an OBDII motor and controller talks to an OBD I car, (and making it look clean) THAT'S the fun part!
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| Mythstae | Nov 5 2017, 07:36 PM Post #15 |
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Wouldn't a 1.3 mount differently from a 1.6, or is it the same? ![]() ...no, wait, I remember this. vr4 put a 1.6 in his Swift. It's the same block, but like an inch taller, or something like that. |
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) but it is VERY time consuming and not cheap if done right. You have to become INTIMATELY familiar with the electrical system from both your donor car AND your project car. (50+ electrical connections to make) Also this swap will require a mix of parts from ALL years and models of Metro's including some GT parts. Not many parts, but some very important ones. You'll even have to make some parts from scratch.

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But seriously, all you have to do is change out the fuel pump. That's it. A whole lot less work, because trust me, (I'm speaking from experience here) you're in for a WHOLE lot of it elsewhere.


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