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Pizza delivery driver shoots robber dead.; Adventures in Pizaa Delivery - Self Defense
Topic Started: Dec 12 2017, 02:39 PM (685 Views)
Swifterthanu
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"The pizza delivery driver returned to work after the attempted robbery." Uhm, "dude, you just killed a man." As a former officer, the shooter had a responsibility to remain on scene or near and report the incident immediately. You can't tell me that the person didn't have a cell phone to report from the scene either.
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Swifterthanu
Dec 12 2017, 10:13 PM
"The pizza delivery driver returned to work after the attempted robbery." Uhm, "dude, you just killed a man." As a former officer, the shooter had a responsibility to remain on scene or near and report the incident immediately. You can't tell me that the person didn't have a cell phone to report from the scene either.
One of the robbers was killed. The other ran away. Is the driver really required to stay and wait for him get some of his homies and COME BACK?

This story is very, very short on details..so much so that it is hard to make any judgement at all. Did he go back to work after the cops had showed up at the scene? He did take a blow to the head, so there's that.
Edited by Cobrajet25, Dec 12 2017, 10:20 PM.
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Swifterthanu
Dec 12 2017, 10:13 PM
"The pizza delivery driver returned to work after the attempted robbery." Uhm, "dude, you just killed a man." As a former officer, the shooter had a responsibility to remain on scene or near and report the incident immediately. You can't tell me that the person didn't have a cell phone to report from the scene either.
Now I don't begrudge a man, woman, Pizza Driver, to try and make a living.

"Sorry your pizza is cold. I was busy remaining at the scene, even after the police investigators were done with me, after pop'n-a-cap in da azz of some skell that so richly deserved it. I hope that won't adversely affect my tip? You can reheat it - in the microwave, ya'know!" :ermm:
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Swifterthanu
Dec 12 2017, 10:13 PM
"The pizza delivery driver returned to work after the attempted robbery." Uhm, "dude, you just killed a man." As a former officer, the shooter had a responsibility to remain on scene or near and report the incident immediately. You can't tell me that the person didn't have a cell phone to report from the scene either.
I'm sure you're also aware that a victim of a crime has the right to protect themselves, even if that requires leaving the scene of said crime for fear of the other perpetrator returning, or worse, a community uprising. He had a cut on his head and could have been fearful of blacking out on scene, and his adrenaline was pumping.

From the way the initial story is framed (albeit, poorly framed), it appears the man didn't have his gun on him at the time he was attacked, and that it may have been locked or stowed in his car. While he was standing at the door delivering the pizza, he was attacked by two men and pistol whipped. While running away, he was shot at several times by one or possibly both robbers. Only upon returning to his car was he able to return fire, probably because he didn't have his gun on him (otherwise he may have engaged BEFORE returning to his car). Or perhaps he had his gun on him, but he wanted to put his car in between himself and the would-be robber in order to block shots and safely return fire. The following news clips from different sources verifies this theory;

Pizza delivery driver returns to car, retrieves his own gun

Pizza delivery man shoots would be robber, Kansas City, MO

pizza delivery driver feared for his life

There is ZERO evidence provided in the story that indicates the pizza delivery man KNEW he shot the would-be robber, let alone KILLED him.

The delivery man did NOT have a responsibility to remain on scene. His first responsibility was to protect himself and get treatment. He returned to his work where he felt safe enough to do that.

So as you see, I've provided additional media clips to paint a better picture as to what was going on. Here's what we know;

1. The driver was attacked while in the process of making his delivery by two armed men.
2. The driver was physically assaulted and pistol whipped, causing an injury to his head.
3. The driver fled on foot to his car while shots were fired at him by the would-be robbers.
4. The driver feared for his life.
5. The driver retrieved his own weapon from his car, and returned fire.
6. One of the robbers was hit, while the other fled on foot from the scene.
7. The robber that was shot died from his injuries.
8. The driver returned to the safety of his pizza shop where he immediately notified police.
9. The driver voluntarily gave his gun to the police.
10. Police have ruled the shooting as justifiable. The driver will likely not have charges pressed against him.

Here's what we DON'T know from the reports thus far;

11. Whether or not the driver KNEW he shot one of the robbers.
12. Whether or not the driver KNEW he KILLED one of the robbers.
Edited by GeoStalker, Dec 12 2017, 11:19 PM.
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Dec 12 2017, 11:16 PM
Swifterthanu
Dec 12 2017, 10:13 PM
"The pizza delivery driver returned to work after the attempted robbery." Uhm, "dude, you just killed a man." As a former officer, the shooter had a responsibility to remain on scene or near and report the incident immediately. You can't tell me that the person didn't have a cell phone to report from the scene either.
I'm sure you're also aware that a victim of a crime has the right to protect themselves, even if that requires leaving the scene of said crime for fear of the other perpetrator returning, or worse, a community uprising. He had a cut on his head and could have been fearful of blacking out on scene, and his adrenaline was pumping.

From the way the initial story is framed (albeit, poorly framed), it appears the man didn't have his gun on him at the time he was attacked, and that it may have been locked or stowed in his car. While he was standing at the door delivering the pizza, he was attacked by two men and pistol whipped. While running away, he was shot at several times by one or possibly both robbers. Only upon returning to his car was he able to return fire, probably because he didn't have his gun on him (otherwise he may have engaged BEFORE returning to his car). Or perhaps he had his gun on him, but he wanted to put his car in between himself and the would-be robber in order to block shots and safely return fire. The following news clips from different sources verifies this theory;

Pizza delivery driver returns to car, retrieves his own gun

Pizza delivery man shoots would be robber, Kansas City, MO

pizza delivery driver feared for his life

There is ZERO evidence provided in the story that indicates the pizza delivery man KNEW he shot the would-be robber, let alone KILLED him.

The delivery man did NOT have a responsibility to remain on scene. His first responsibility was to protect himself and get treatment. He returned to his work where he felt safe enough to do that.

So as you see, I've provided additional media clips to paint a better picture as to what was going on. Here's what we know;

1. The driver was attacked while in the process of making his delivery by two armed men.
2. The driver was physically assaulted and pistol whipped, causing an injury to his head.
3. The driver fled on foot to his car while shots were fired at him by the would-be robbers.
4. The driver feared for his life.
5. The driver retrieved his own weapon from his car, and returned fire.
6. One of the robbers was hit, while the other fled on foot from the scene.
7. The robber that was shot died from his injuries.
8. The driver returned to the safety of his pizza shop where he immediately notified police.
9. The driver voluntarily gave his gun to the police.
10. Police have ruled the shooting as justifiable. The driver will likely not have charges pressed against him.

Here's what we DON'T know from the reports thus far;

11. Whether or not the driver KNEW he shot one of the robbers.
12. Whether or not the driver KNEW he KILLED one of the robbers.
:gp :gp :gp :gp :gp

One of the first things they train you to do in a robbery situation is GET TO SAFETY. Don't stand around in a 'hot zone' and wait for the cavalry.

The driver will likely get fired for carrying a gun. Nearly all delivery companies of this type have rules against not only guns, but weapons of any kind. The higher-ups in these sorts of companies want drivers defenseless for liability reasons, and they will fire him for breaking the rules just as an attempt to protect themselves legally. But believe me, the shift managers and other employees on-site usually know who is packing (and there is ALWAYS somebody), and they are completely fine with there being that last line of defense for everyone.

Know what I say? Better fired than :x .
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Other suspect arrested and charged...

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The only part to this story that is sketchy is that he waited until he got back to the store to call the police. Again, yes he has the right to protect himself but he will have to articulate when in the chain of events he FIRST felt safe enough to call the police. I wasn't there and I don't know the state laws for the location.
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Dec 13 2017, 12:04 AM
The only part to this story that is sketchy is that he waited until he got back to the store to call the police. Again, yes he has the right to protect himself but he will have to articulate when in the chain of events he FIRST felt safe enough to call the police. I wasn't there and I don't know the state laws for the location.
You're right. He should have called a 24-hour lawyer immediately after being hit over the head and shot at to find out exactly where he could and could not legally find safety. :ermm:
Edited by Cobrajet25, Dec 13 2017, 12:16 AM.
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Cobrajet25
Dec 13 2017, 12:10 AM
He should have called a 24-hour lawyer immediately after being hit over the head and shot at to find out exactly where he could and could not legally find safety. :ermm:
You learn the ramifications of your actions the hard way sometimes. You know in WA that you could be charged for leaving the scene. But again, there are too many holes in the story and armchair quarterbacking the events still don't negate the fact that Darwins theory was proven once again.
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Dec 13 2017, 12:20 AM
Cobrajet25
Dec 13 2017, 12:10 AM
He should have called a 24-hour lawyer immediately after being hit over the head and shot at to find out exactly where he could and could not legally find safety. :ermm:
You learn the ramifications of your actions the hard way sometimes. You know in WA that you could be charged for leaving the scene. But again, there are too many holes in the story and armchair quarterbacking the events still don't negate the fact that Darwins theory was proven once again.
I understand what you mean, but this isn't a road-rage incident or domestic dispute.

He had suffered a head injury. Could he have gone to a nearby house and asked for help? Maybe. Driven straight to the police station or hospital? Sure. Instead, he instinctively hustled back to 'home base'. It's pretty obvious he wasn't fleeing from the scene in an attempt to evade anyone but the other perpetrator. Second-guessing his choice of refuge is, with respect, kinda silly in this situation.

His due diligence was met when he called the police and turned over his weapon...from a safe location.

This is about as clear-cut as self-defense shootings get.
Edited by Cobrajet25, Dec 13 2017, 12:34 AM.
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Talking on the phone and driving is illegal. lol.

I also doubt there is a policy and training on what to do after you are involved in a shooting. (for his place of employment)
Edited by Horn, Dec 13 2017, 12:45 AM.
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Dec 13 2017, 12:45 AM
I also doubt there is a policy and training on what to do after you are involved in a shooting. (for his place of employment)
You are right. The standing company line usually is, "Do what the robber tells you to do and you will stay safe! The robber doesn't want to hurt you!"

What a crock of shit. Perhaps that was true in the past. But there are more and more stories of robbers shooting/beating/stabbing the driver first then getting what they want off of them afterwards.
Edited by Cobrajet25, Dec 13 2017, 12:54 AM.
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Dec 12 2017, 08:01 PM
What I hate about this article is how the writer recorded the shooter as Caucasian and the robbers as African-American....

TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!!!

It was a case of two men attempting to rob another, and one of the men received their comeuppance....PERIOD!!

I agree, it was irrelevant and just because the company as a whole may lean toward conservative views doesn’t mean an individual reporter may lean towards more liberal views yet hold to some conservative views.

The article in question though definitely seems to have an underlining statement of white on black crime but really it was black on white crime. We also go to see that this country’s standard of reporting is moving to this norm. Whether conscience of it or not.

On another note is this a “stand your ground law” state? If so they investigate it a little bit and move on, self-defense.

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This guy stole the pizza and apparently tried to drink bleach in an attempted suicide after the incident.
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Dec 13 2017, 03:10 AM
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Dec 12 2017, 08:01 PM
What I hate about this article is how the writer recorded the shooter as Caucasian and the robbers as African-American....

TOTALLY IRRELEVANT!!!

It was a case of two men attempting to rob another, and one of the men received their comeuppance....PERIOD!!

I agree, it was irrelevant...

Go to other sites and read the comments on this kind of story where the races of those involved is NOT mentioned. Half of the comments are people guessing...correctly...what those races are. And, umm, sharing their unvarnished opinions on what may well be considered a hate crime if those races were reversed.

Sucks, but race matters nowadays.

Damned if they mention it, damned if they don't. Sad but true.
Edited by Cobrajet25, Dec 13 2017, 04:00 AM.
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