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| Horn | Dec 30 2017, 07:03 PM Post #31 |
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I'm still happy about getting 50mpg at 75mph in my Jetta.... Except that it usually costs more with diesel, is 10x more difficult to work on, needs it's own fancy tools, costs more to maintain....etc I wish it was simpler at times. |
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| Horn | Dec 30 2017, 07:05 PM Post #32 |
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In terms of the stereo "only" having aux and USB, walmart has a $20 stereo that has those and Bluetooth. They usually have a deal for a pioneer and 4 speakers for around $80. The whole stereo argument in any vehicle is ridiculous |
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| cwatkin | Dec 30 2017, 09:26 PM Post #33 |
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I don't drive mine super hard but if I need to run it hard, then I will give it whatever it takes. In normal driving I am getting 48mpg according to the onboard display. I am positive I could get above 50mpg if I really took it easy. Conor |
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| iwantageometro | Dec 31 2017, 01:14 AM Post #34 |
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I thought this review was pretty humorous and started watching some of his other videos as well. I don't think it's the worst new car. All I want is a cheap, reliable, fuel-efficient little car. It obviously appeals to Metro owners. Seeing the ground is a good thing. According to Fuelly, my average for 12,693 miles I've driven in my Mirage is 48.1mpg, but I don't drive it in winter and USUALLY don't go above 55. I try to not use the a/c as much as possible but sometimes it's really nice to have! Over Thanksgiving, I drove it 1200+ miles to Knoxville, TN, with 2 other passengers and the rest crammed full of stuff, a good amount of of 70mph highway whenever possible, and I think I averaged 42ish mpg. It was nice having the rear passenger actually have a door, too! If anyone is looking into a Mirage and doesn't mind it not being new, keep searching for a cheap used one. I recently helped Daox from the Mirage forum pick his up 2014 Mirage with 77k on it for $3575, from a used car dealer in Chicago. I would've bough it for that price too! |
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| Cobrajet25 | Dec 31 2017, 07:41 AM Post #35 |
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Good advice. These are late-model cars that depreciate like yesterday's newspaper, aren't highly sought-after, and don't really have too many major factory issues. You will miss out on the 10/100 warranty...but few have needed it anyway! I GUARANTEE if you find one at a used car lot they won't be into it more than about $4500...even though they may be asking $7,999. And there ain't gonna be a line of people waiting to buy it. Dealerships are the way to go on these cars. People selling them privately usually want what they still owe on the car and that usually doesn't jibe with what it's WORTH. I am even seeing used '17s for around $9,000. Examples with 20-30k are $7,000 all day long, which still leaves you with 2-3 years and 30-40k of warranty. As others have said, they can be had way cheaper if you are a patient hunter. Tell that sales guy to run a Carfax then give him hell!
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| Horn | Dec 31 2017, 01:04 PM Post #36 |
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Yep! Im waiting a few more years when they will be a few thousand. That's my main issue with myself buying one of these new is the depreciation. One thing that a lot of the clowns commenting don't understand is that it isn't feasible for everyone to have a 15 year old car with 200k miles.... |
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| PTA2PTB | Dec 31 2017, 01:14 PM Post #37 |
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I'm totally awesome! I swear.
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Has anyone here ever used, or have any familiarity with, cargurus.com? I'm just wondering what this "$9,999" price, is supposed to represent or include? Is that the dealer's cost, or is it what they're, supposedly, currently willing to sell it for? If it's what they'll sell it for, do you know if it should include all those hidden fees: destination, dealer prep, doc fees? If it did, in theory, it "should" net out to somewhere around $10,500, after adding in the NC 3% sales tax and the tag & registration fees. 2018 Mitsubishi Mirage ES - $9,999 Edited by PTA2PTB, Dec 31 2017, 01:15 PM.
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| Horn | Dec 31 2017, 01:36 PM Post #38 |
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Look on autotrader. They are down to $9200. I'm not sure, but I don't think that it includes doc fees or any other fees. If/when I go to a dealership, I'm going to do like my friend did. He makes plenty of money and went in and said "I want this car, this color. I don't want any bullshit. I have no time to haggle or play games. I'll give you one shot. I want to know the out the door cost or I'll go somewhere else.".....yeah they immediately gave him exactly what they wanted. As a buyer YOU need to be the one to take charge. Buyers always seem to be nervous as if they don't get the car, it'll be the end of the word. There are thousands of that same car out there. The dealership needs you more than you need them. When I sold cars, I had a few buyers come in and knew exactly what they wanted, the price and no games. Those were the best people to deal with for me. The worst part was the sales manager wanting to play games and I had to tell him to quit screwing around. I hate all those fees. Documentation fees....some places can be free, others are $500. The only reason they do that is so they can make it seem as if the car is actually cheaper than what it is. As PTA is implying, the only thing that matters is the OTD price. I don't care how you break it down. I may be different, but I really think there should be laws that say you must have the OTD price. It'll never happen though. Most people are too stupid to worry about that and get fooled too easily. |
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| Cobrajet25 | Jan 1 2018, 04:00 AM Post #39 |
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Good advice. Do ALL of your business over the phone or through email. If you want to be really shrewd, have them fax/email you a purchase order with the numbers you agree to over the phone before you even set foot on their lot. Purchase orders are essentially legally-binding contracts, so when you arrive at the lot they HAVE to follow through. Then your roll up, sign, and leave. Takes 20 minutes, and doesn't give them any chance to hit you with a full-court press. Do I honestly think you will get the car for $9,999 + T&L by the time it is all said and done? No. If I had to guess I'd say this car is a 'loss leader'...a car a dealership advertises the hell out of and sells cheap. They only have one, and when you show up to drive/buy it, then they say, "Oh, I am sorry, sir. We sold that car yesterday. However, we do have this $14,000 model available right now! Would you like me to run in and get the keys?" They also stack every single discount imaginable to get that price, many of which you will not qualify for (eg the $400 one-armed-lesbian-Filipina-ballerina-buying-on-the-last-Tuesday-of-the-month-during-a-full-moon-discount). If you know you want the car, get the deal done before they even see your face. If they balk, turn and walk. Edited by Cobrajet25, Jan 1 2018, 04:02 AM.
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| cwatkin | Jan 1 2018, 01:05 PM Post #40 |
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I got a pretty good deal on my Mirage. I think the out the door price was $10,200 if I remember right. This was when they were having that crazy $4000 or whatever. My GF needed a new car and bought her Mirage a few months before me. She didn't get quite as good of a deal but she needed a new car as the Suzuki Reno/Forenza she owned was basically falling apart and began showing signs of a head gasket letting go. We traded it before it really became a problem. We went to the local Kia dealer to look at the Rio as those are good cars for the money as well. Talk about playing games and being jacked with. They wanted to talk about financing and monthly payments, not the out the door price. Basically they wanted to do a credit check and about 90% of the process of buying the car before giving a price. I told them this wasn't going to work so we walked out. She wanted the basic model with a manual transmission. They had to jockey all the other cars around to get them unburied from the parking lot. It was obvious that these weren't the cars they were looking to sell. Anyway, the guy wanted a phone number so I gave him mine. She bought the Mirage that night and when we got home, there was a flyer in the mailbox from the Kia dealer. They had a Rio listed at a very agreeable price. We just laughed and said how they messed up. Anyway, the dealer called me a few days later and I told him this story and why we hadn't bought the car. I also mentioned the flyer and how we would have probably bought the car had they come right out with that price from the get go. His response was "Those are for the base models that don't even have an automatic transmission and such. No one wants those." I had to remind him about them spending about 30 minutes moving other cars around so they could get to one of those models. There was just silence for a while. The sales guy at the Mitsubishi dealer was no nonsense and ended up selling two cars to us in the end. Conor |
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| GeoStalker | Jan 1 2018, 01:44 PM Post #41 |
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"Chicks dig me and guys think I'm cool."
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I paid $8495 for my 2015 Mirage DE 5 speed, plus tax, tags, and title, in March 2016. I'm coming up on two years of ownership and only have 14k miles on the odometer. Most of my driving is local....3 miles to my dad's house, 1 mile to Kroger, and 2 miles to work, and even with all the stop and go I average 40 mpg. On longer drives to my mother-in-laws house, an hour long drive of highway and country back roads, I can easily push it to 48 mpg without even trying. There is a sweet spot in the miles per hour in which I can maximize mpgs, and that's about 57 mph. With no a/c, in perfect smooth driving conditions, I can get over 50 mpgs. More on my initial review found here. GeoStalker reviews his 2015 Mitsubishi Mirage DE 5 speed |
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| cwatkin | Jan 1 2018, 01:53 PM Post #42 |
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I also wonder how the mileage could be on the CVT trans... The top gear ratio is taller than in the 5 speed. I wish these came with a 6 speed. I would want the first 5 gears to be the same ratio and the 6th a taller gear. A lot of transmissions these days just have closer ratios. I think that the CVT on paper get a tad better mileage but think that real world use hasn't really shown the CVT to be better. Conor |
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| PTA2PTB | Jan 1 2018, 05:54 PM Post #43 |
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I'm totally awesome! I swear.
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Thanks for everyone's honest feedback and sound advice. I appreciate it. It wasn't me that was wanting the new car so much as it was my gf, whose been urging me to buy one, for me to drive, ever since buying her brand new Camrys to drive, on two seperate occasions over the past 16 yrs we've been together. Being the man of the house, and one who has long grown accustomed to driving older, and often times junky, vehicles for my DD's, every time I buy a new car, it goes to the woman of the house, for her DD, and I get to drive the old stuff. I absolutely refuse to ever have 2 different car payments to make at the same time, and I'm undaunted by having a car break down on me. I was willing to acquiesce to her wishes, IF - I could have found a brand new Mirage for around $10k, but, such was not the case. The two different Mitsubishi dealers that I had email correspondence with, and that wanted nothing more than for me to, as they put it: "come in and see them, and give them an opportunity to show me what kind of deal they could give me", both responded with crickets, once I informed them that I wasn't driving all that way without an already agreed upon deal to my liking, and that the deal would have to be pretty darn close to $10k OTD. If I was in the position of absolutely needing to go buy a new car - right now, I wouldn't hesitate to go grab the cheapest Mirage I could find. But, with my Metro continuing to fill the void between me being mobile and me being a mobility non-possesser, until a deal comes along that I absolutely can't pass up, I'll soldier on with my lil Geo Metro. |
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| Cobrajet25 | Jan 1 2018, 07:58 PM Post #44 |
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Keep your eyes peeled for a used one! If I were in the market right now I'd be all over this one like flies on .2017 Mirage SE manual Yes, it isn't under $10k. But it isn't the base model and is still a brand new car for under $12,000. |
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| Horn | Jan 2 2018, 11:29 AM Post #45 |
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I just can't see spending close to 12k for one of these. I just rode in a new Hyundai hatch and although it doesn't game the same MPGs, it felt a lot more solid and was nicer than the mirage. It was $14k, but had lots of bells and whistles and was comfortable. At 9-10k, I like the mirage. At 11k on up, no thanks. I can buy nicer wheels later on. I can buy an aftermarket pioneer stereo with solid speakers for around $80. Idk how much the nicer model is over base though. |
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if I could pick up one of these puppies under $10k, that may not turn out to be the worst decision I've ever made. Don't get me wrong, I love/hate my Metro, but, there are days, particularly when I have to go out to the driveway and fuk with it again - in less than pleasant temperatures, no less, that I do start to wonder what it might be like to have a car that is more like a reliable appliance; just park it in the driveway until you're ready to use it again, like a blender, but without concern for continual maintenance and upgrades to it.
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