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Doug DeMuro rants on the Mirage
Topic Started: Dec 28 2017, 02:36 PM (1,833 Views)
cwatkin


One thing I like about the base model 2015 Mirage that I have is that it doesn't have a stupid touch screen. The Kia Rio we looked at around the same time also didn't have a touch screen, at least in the base model that we tested.

The bad news is that the 2018 Mirage appears to have one of these even in the base model. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/mirage/2018#models-compare Has anyone used it and how does it perform? I personally prefer the analog controls and that is a feature of the base model if you ask me.

I like my 6 radio presets (18 if you toggle through) and would at least something simulating this on the screen.

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cwatkin
Jan 6 2018, 01:13 PM
One thing I like about the base model 2015 Mirage that I have is that it doesn't have a stupid touch screen. The Kia Rio we looked at around the same time also didn't have a touch screen, at least in the base model that we tested.

The bad news is that the 2018 Mirage appears to have one of these even in the base model. https://www.mitsubishicars.com/mirage/2018#models-compare Has anyone used it and how does it perform? I personally prefer the analog controls and that is a feature of the base model if you ask me.

I like my 6 radio presets (18 if you toggle through) and would at least something simulating this on the screen.

Conor
Backup cameras were mandated by law this year. Hence, display audio became standard even on the base Mirage as well. But they don't have the Carplay/Android deck that the mid and upper level models have. They have the basic touchscreen radio out of the Lancer.
Edited by Cobrajet25, Jan 6 2018, 06:44 PM.
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There is another reason for this transition as well. When most of us were growing up we worked the buttons and dials for our controls so it is what feels right to us. The younger generations have been using touchscreens and swiping for their controls from the time they could hold a phone so it feels natural to them and it's going to be the preferred control to them. They are also going to be the designers that are deciding how these things operate.

You can either adapt or yell at the kids to get off your lawn...
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cwatkin


The Android integration might be nice but I understand that the base model is the only one with a manual transmission these days. That is my GET OFF MY LAWN moment!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/fb/fb75997bd18456cc1a80b97e9a7e88d9c734522e73a6aa6ae145c5da20f33093.jpg

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cwatkin
Jan 6 2018, 11:50 PM
The Android integration might be nice but I understand that the base model is the only one with a manual transmission these days. That is my GET OFF MY LAWN moment!

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/fb/fb75997bd18456cc1a80b97e9a7e88d9c734522e73a6aa6ae145c5da20f33093.jpg

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Completely agree. I should at least be able to ORDER a freakin' top-spec manual car if I am willing to plunk down a deposit and wait.
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They are out there...

2017 Mirage G4 ES Manual
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Still redundant as they may be(I have driven my Metro 30 mph in reverse, I dare you to do that staring at a grainy .3 MP camera feed) backup cameras are not an excuse for every car to require a sucky everglowing touchscreen. Have you seen the late night infomercial for the HD mirror cam?
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If all that is required is a backup cam, they can hide it away in a hideable screen in the rearview mirror. That way people have a screen for the camera feed and can still have a traditional button radio. I think it was in the consumer reports that I read that based on their findings they are reccomending that people not change the radio station or adjust climate settings while driving with infotainment radios. People on average look away from the road so long messing with it that it is nearly as bad as texting. Now with good ole levers and buttons you have no reason to look away from the road to adjust anything once you know your car.

But another point is button radios are timeless. What about when this 2018 mirage is living in 2040? Suppose a 1993-1995 production Metro had an infotainment system hypothetically. It would look something on the order of this:Posted Image
Compare windows 3.1, to the graphical standard on windows 7, 8, and 10 used today. The screens will look hideously outdated and will likely not be very easy for the young people of 2040 to navigate. This driver as old as his metro took one good look at the Geo delco double din radio and knew how to operate it 20 years after manufacture. When a 20 year old is buying a 2018 Mirage in 2040 I bet they will be scouring the slowed down portion of the non neutral internet looking for an archaic PDF explaining how to make the most of their new Mitsubishis touchscreen infotainment.

True, electronics can last a long time, but when connected to the internet they age at the speed electricity flows though wire, seriously. Cars last much longer than GUI interfaces do, it is foolish to combine the two.

Touchscreens are nice for phones, sure you can get them for computers too but when you can have a mouse and keyboard why whould you want to instead cover your monitor in fingerprints...



Doug Demuro rants on mirages... Wiscometro rants on touchscreen radios... :lol
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Jan 5 2018, 08:38 PM
ALL NEW CARS ARE LIKE THIS. They depreciate like crazy! It's part of buying a new car. Some vehicles hold their value pretty well. Economy cars do not. You think that Kia you'd buy instead of the Mirage is going to be worth 80% of what you paid in three years?



I did pay $14k for my Mirage. And I have put 84,000 trouble-free miles on it. Is the car only worth about $5,000-6,000 now? Sure...but that's because it has 84,000 miles on it! :thumb

Most of us here buy well-used cars with values that have 'bottomed out' over the course of decades. "Depreciation" isn't a concept we are too familiar with. Nothing wrong with that.
depreciation is rapid for the those first three-five years....I haven't been able to quantify the purchase of a 'new' vehicle... I don't care how good a price it is... unless I have 6 figures of lottery winnings in my pocket.[/quote]


That Mirage you paid 14k for has depreciated at 10 cent a mile. That 'cost' is in addition to regular maintenance and fuel. If you keep it till the wheels fall off, you will get your value for sure, but usually one accident after 4 years will TOTAL the vehicle and owner has no choice but to walk away with 30%. Pretty scary for me.
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Whew.. catching my breath.. just came back in from chasing kids off my lawn. :D

one thing that was written about our Metros when they were new is happening again with the new Mirage. And that is that new economy cars are cross shopped nd compared with 3 year old used cars. As in new 2000 Metro vs. used 1997 Honda Civic with 24,000 miles.

I think a used Mirage is a good buy if you need features. Question for a mechanically inclined kid born today will be: in 2035 when they are looking at their first well-used car, would they want a preserved Metro or Mirage for their $1,000 budget? :hmm
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I agree that electronics last a long time but can be expensive to replace in cars. I don't really like the way they have combined the two and I work on electronics for a living. Phones are typically supported about 3 years and then they are considered an obsolete product. Some major flaw comes out and your expensive phone becomes an expensive paperweight. Some new flaws related to the fundamental foundations of every CPU ever made up to this point have just been released. Newer models will likely be patched but what about the older generations? It is one thing to recycle a 3 year old phone as mine rarely make it much past 2 years the way I use them. I also live out in the woods with spotty reception so the radios are broadcasting at full power, burning themselves out quickly and running the battery down so it gets charged much more often, wearing it out faster as well. The expensive flagships last me about two years while the disposable gophones and such last me a couple weeks to a month.

If it was as easy as replacing a component on a desktop computer, that would be one thing. The problem is that these systems are all proprietary to the car they came in and are not easy to replace. You can't just buy an aftermarket radio and be done with it as so much of the car is operated from this thing. This got me thinking. I wonder how hard it would be to simply buy a few junkyard Mirages with the options we want and make ourselves the car we really want. Sure, it would have a salvage title but everyone has pointed out these things depreciate like crazy anyway. It might also have to be within the same year and there might have to be harness and ECM swaps. Only time will tell as junkers become so cheap we can experiment like this.

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