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Elio is never going to happen...
Topic Started: Jan 13 2018, 07:49 AM (1,234 Views)
evmetro


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Jan 19 2018, 08:54 AM
evmetro
Jan 19 2018, 08:29 AM
The "beetle of the 90's" is more of a turd than the real beetle, just like the mirage is more of a turd than the Metro.
The hate is strong in this one. :lol
I don't hate any of the cars in question, I just view the mirage as a turd.
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cwatkin


There will NEVER be another car as simple to work on as the Metro. Laws have mandated electronics such as backup cameras and traction control so even the cheapest and most basic car sold today will still have electronics like the Mirage. I agree that this stinks but is the way it is. Eventually it will cost so much to keep the Metros going. Parts are still easy to come by today but I don't know how much longer that will last.

You can pretty much pick from the Kia Rio, Chevy Spark, Nissan Versa, Ford Fiesta, etc. for new cheap cars that get good mileage besides the Mirage. The two cheapest are the Mirage and the Versa but I haven't heard a lot good about the Versa so avoided that one. I kinda like the Spark which technically is the Metro successor.

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evmetro
Jan 19 2018, 11:01 AM
Horn
Jan 19 2018, 08:54 AM
evmetro
Jan 19 2018, 08:29 AM
The "beetle of the 90's" is more of a turd than the real beetle, just like the mirage is more of a turd than the Metro.
The hate is strong in this one. :lol
I don't hate any of the cars in question, I just view the mirage as a turd.
You have said it is a turd....which most econo cars are, but what makes it "turdier" than a metro?
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cwatkin
Jan 19 2018, 12:26 PM
There will NEVER be another car as simple to work on as the Metro. Laws have mandated electronics such as backup cameras and traction control so even the cheapest and most basic car sold today will still have electronics like the Mirage. I agree that this stinks but is the way it is. Eventually it will cost so much to keep the Metros going. Parts are still easy to come by today but I don't know how much longer that will last.

You can pretty much pick from the Kia Rio, Chevy Spark, Nissan Versa, Ford Fiesta, etc. for new cheap cars that get good mileage besides the Mirage. The two cheapest are the Mirage and the Versa but I haven't heard a lot good about the Versa so avoided that one. I kinda like the Spark which technically is the Metro successor.

Conor
The problem with some of those car are the price. I haven't really shopped around, but when I see some of those in the $14k range, I laugh.
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Horn


Go cheap or go metro! lol
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Not sure on the mitsu mirahe engine reliability. A coin flif you trade your car in before the warranty is up then maybe the mirage is a great choice...or if you just see it as something like a disposable appliance like a lot of people get rid of then it doesn't matter I guess more power to ya. If one is bad just throw down some cash for a new one.


. Might as well get a new Honda or toyota with some corenthian leather and butt/ testicle heaters if you are going to make payments on it.

The kei cars in Japan. 996cc and turbo or super charged. Weighs less, probably 100x funner and cheaper if they would allow them here. well you can import a lot of the cool older ones now ;)


I dont know that's just like my opinion though man.




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evmetro
Jan 19 2018, 10:58 AM
Horn
Jan 19 2018, 08:53 AM
evmetro
Jan 19 2018, 01:53 AM
Horn
Jan 19 2018, 12:14 AM
I agree with Conor, I see very few metros around here. The ones I do see are rusted pieces of junk and the ppl with the nice ones want $2k....Im not spending 2k on one when in a few years, the mirage will be around 3k. I'm waiting for that. I'm not against a new Versa. I didn't realize how cheap they are.

I also agree that if you drive a metro, but call the mirage a POS, then you are confused. I really haven't heard anything significantly bad about them.
Newer cheapo cars are all turds, not just the mirage. I sympathize with those who live in the rust belt, but all I have ever seen are rust free metros. I would drive from one side of the country to buy a rust metro though, rather than settle for a mirage.

The Metro is the holy grail of cheapo cars. Super easy to work on but rarely needs work. Outrageous fuel economy. Inexpensive parts and registration. A plastic interior that wipes clean and comes out in ten minutes. Sounds happy when it runs. Has a super cool internet community. Very easy to buy without having to finance. Survives divorces.
True, it is the cheapest....but at the same time there are more things than comfort. My Jetta TDI (although significantly higher maintenance) still gets 50mpg hwy and is significantly more comfortable to drive.

I definitely wouldn't drive that far for metro. I'd drive that far to pick up a rust free classic car though. The metros are perfect for what they are, but If I have the choice of a metro or a few more for a mirage, I'm picking the mirage. Personal opinion.
Although my personal opinions are strong, I have deep respect for the opinions of others. I would not think less of anybody for choosing a mirage. The most important thing to me is seeing people choose whatever car they like, even if I think it is a turd. I am confident that most of society view my Metros as turds.
if evmetro's cars are regarded by society as turds, then I guess I must be a turd :shit enthusiast. :rocker

I test drove a Mirage. It felt most like my old Metro automatic sedan in terms of driving feel.. smoother ride but with less character thanyou get with Metro hatchbacks.

I note that here, you can get a real Mirage stripper with no A/C for $10K Cdn. before taxes.

Styling is subjective but the Mirage body proportions look off to me. Too tall beltline, too short a hood, no 3 door option, and a beam rear axle.

With probably a million Metro/Swift variants built worldwide over the last 29 years,I wouldn't worry about parts availability any time soon. Basic cars will have fans forever. You can still buy new 1928 Model T A Ford parts from Rockauto.

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Tom

I saw another one of these local designed (edit:) Chinese built EVs at the mall today.

Delivery starts Dec 2018...
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https://electrameccanica.com/emv-solo-us/
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that ev really interesting. Never even heard of that here in Michigan
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suzukitom
Jan 20 2018, 12:21 AM
I saw another one of these local designed (edit:) Chinese built EVs at the mall today.

Delivery starts Dec 2018...
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https://electrameccanica.com/emv-solo-us/
It's like the love child between an Elio, and a Corbin Sparrow. It's ugly as sin, but that wouldn't stop me from possibly buying one, if only the price were right. At $15,500 US, that's too steep, for my blood. I'd sooner buy a used Nissan Leaf, or Fiat 500e, for around $8k to $9k, which are much nicer, larger, and better appointed, cars, but with a similar range, and have enough left over to pay for the replacement battery pack for it, after 6 or 8 years of service.

Look at the front hoodline. Pretty crude. For that level of craftsmanship, I'd expect a sub-$10k price, not $15,500.
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That car is hideous.....$15k....no thanks. I don't care what the features are or how great the MPGs are on it.
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Jan 21 2018, 05:05 PM
That car is hideous.....$15k....no thanks. I don't care what the features are or how great the MPGs are on it.
if you unplug the speed governor it can run about half an hour at 137 mph before you need to recharge it. Here in BC, our electricity is mostly from hydroelectric, so equivalent mpg e is probably 200+
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evmetro


I'll just stick to my Metros

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evmetro
Jan 21 2018, 06:04 PM
I'll just stick to my Metros

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is that car for sale? :drool

just trying to give you an excuse to build another one. :D
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Horn
Jan 21 2018, 05:05 PM
That car is hideous.....$15k....no thanks. I don't care what the features are or how great the MPGs are on it.
Well, you know what they say..."Battery, is in the tray of the, battery-holder.". ^o)
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