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Turbo the Metro; Best plan for Turboing my Metro
Topic Started: May 6 2018, 12:26 AM (328 Views)
Geo1.0
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I’ve seen lots of post about half ass kits but I haven’t seen any legit posts about legit kits for the geo metro. I’ve seen people say that their isn’t a Real kit for the metro but I know people have taken the time to devise a plan to make it work. I got my metro for free so anything I do will just be pure fun.
Any real ideas?
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Buy the stock parts from a Canadian turbo or plan to throw away a lot of money and blown up parts. Of course the stock turbo G10 didn't have a lot of increase over a stock motor. The better and more likely to live choice is a GT motor from a Suzuki Swift Gt.
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I need to create a flow chart for a Metro owner and wanting more power. It would have steps like: Do you want to spend over $2,000 dollars? Do you want over 40 mpg still? Do you know how to rebuild an engine? And basically all of them point to buying 'Metro' with the G13BB...
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I need to create a flow chart for a Metro owner and wanting more power. It would have steps like: Do you want to spend over $2,000 dollars? Do you want over 40 mpg still? Do you know how to rebuild an engine? And basically all of them point to buying 'Metro' with the G13BB...
This ^

There are so many of these threads.
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Well like I said, I got this 95 Metro 1.0 for free. Anything I do do it will be just pure fun.
And yes a flowchart would be pretty cool especially for beginners like myself.

Now back to the real topic,
I’m guessing the G13BB is the swift motor?

Is it that much more powerful?
I’m also not interested in fuel economy at all either
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Geo1.0
May 6 2018, 10:29 AM
Well like I said, I got this 95 Metro 1.0 for free. Anything I do do it will be just pure fun.
And yes a flowchart would be pretty cool especially for beginners like myself.

Now back to the real topic,
I’m guessing the G13BB is the swift motor?

Is it that much more powerful?
I’m also not interested in fuel economy at all either

Some of this information may be a little off, if/when I get corrected I will update this to reflect the correction.

Listed in ascending order of HP.

G10 is the 1.0L 6 valve, SOHC engine from the 1989-2000(ish) Metro.
55hp/58tq

G13BA is the 1.3L, 8 valve, SOCH engine from the 1995-1997(ish) Metro
67hp/74tq

G13BB is the 1.3L, 16 valve, SOHC engine from the 1998-2001(ish) Metro.
75hp/79tq

G13B (Sometimes called the G13K) is the 1.3L, 16 valve, DOHC engine from the GTi's.
100hp/83tq

So, the G13BB that's available has appropriately 36% more HP and torque. (It also have approximately 33% more cylinders)

Added by MMM:
G10T is the 1L, 6 valve, SOHC engine from the 1985-1991(ish) Metro/Firefly/Swift in the Canadian market.
70hp/79tq (retrieved from Wiki so there is probably additional information missing there)

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Pretty much every time the subject of turbo-ing a G10 has come up, so has engine failure. Best bet is the G-13B option, or the new craze... the Honda K swap.
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The issue isn't that the Metro itself can't be turbo'd it's the fact that the Metro owner's normally don't have the kind of $$$ or skill required to do it correctly. Engines are engines. You beef up the internals, run the right setup, and you can squeeze 100hp/L out of the G10 with no issues. And with that said, after you've squeezed 100hp into a turbo Metro you still have a relatively slow car.
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I fully understand that doing anything to a metro motor isn’t gonna gain much speed. I think it’s just fun to do. I have a turbo VR6 Jetta that I have for the speed.
What’s this about a Kseries Honda swap? I feel like that’s a lot of fabrication to make things work for that.
I’ve also considered doing a smaller LS swap just to make things really fun. Cons side ring if I could get one to fit in the bay.

Also, can someone point me in the direction to get internals parts? I am only aware of the 3tech website but they don’t have a whole lot too offer.

Really I’m just looking for some inspriration on some other people’s builds and go from there.
I’d like to do something that other people haven’t done but I’d also like to see what people have made work and the ending results.
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Listen man. I'm not trying to discourage you. But most of the people who can do a K series swap aren't asking for examples of how to do it before they do it.

K series has been done.
V8 has been done.
2.3L turbo ford has been done.
G13* has been done
RWD V6 has been done
AWD V6 and I4 has been done.
Electric has been done.
Supercharged G13B has been done.
2.2L Ecotech has been done. .

I'm sure there are plenty more i'm forgetting. Google "Geo Metro Engine Swap" and look at the images, venture down the rabbit hole there.

EDIT: I am saying this because I was once in your shoes. The Metro just isn't the right car for the job.
Edited by Coche Blanco, May 6 2018, 01:54 PM.
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Contact t3ragtop. He has a lot of experience with turbos.
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freegeo
May 6 2018, 01:51 PM
Contact t3ragtop. He has a lot of experience with turbos.
Or, better yet, Google Geometroforum turbo first and read every post he has made over the years and if you still have a desire to do this and make it live longer than a few weeks ask follow up questions of T3 or offer to buy the monster turbo engine he has built and sitting at his place.

Here is the real issue for those of us on this forum, we know this is just going to trash another Metro and it's engine and leave a trail of broken and tossed out parts behind it on it's way to the scrap heap and that really isn't what we are here for or really want to support. It always seems to start by yanking and throwing out the entire interior which doesn't save enough weight to make it competitive with any car driven by someone who would be interested in stoplight racing. This car can be fun to drive, but nearly everything else will have better performance. It isn't slow, it will light up the tires if you want, but it isn't a great car to make a sleeper out of unless you are counting on the other guy being asleep and totally unaware you are racing them.

Here is the race story that has been on the internet forever and on the forum since at least 2009 to inspire you to greater heights...



I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, three cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of metro around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by surprise...

I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte cappuccino blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped at a streetlight. As the Metro throbbed its throaty idle around me, I sipped my bold beverage and wiped the white froth from my stiff upper lip. I was minding my own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane. I turned, made eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition. Ford Festiva-a late model, could be trouble. Low profile tires, curb feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot rod, for sure. The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle. As I tugged on my driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fast, and I am *damn* cool, hence...), the night was split with the sound of seven screaming cylinders...

Then the light turned... I almost had him out of the hole, my three pounding cylinders thrusting me at least a millimeter back into my seat, as smoke pouring from my front right tire... my unlimited slip differential was letting me down! I saw in the corner of my eyes, a yellow snout gaining, and I heard the roar of his four cylinders. He slung by me, right front wheel juddering against the pavement, and he flashed me a smile as his .7 extra liters of motor stretched its legs. I kept my foot gamely in it, though, waiting for the CHECK ENGINE light to blink on in the one-gauge (no tachometer here!) instrument panel. I saw a glimpse of chrome under his bumper, and knew the ugly truth... He was running a custom exhaust-probably a 2-into-1 dual exhaust...maybe even cutouts! Damn his hot-rod soul! The old lady passing us on the crosswalk cast a dirty look in our boy-racer direction... Yet still I persisted, with my three pumping pistons singing a heady high-pitched song, wound fully out.

Though only a few handfuls of seconds had passed, we were nearing the crosswalk at the other side of the intersection, and I heard the note of his engine change as he made his shift to second, and I saw his grin in his rearview mirror fade as he missed the shift! I rocketed by, shifting, and nursed the clutch gently in to keep from bogging, keeping my motor spinning hot and pulling me ahead, now trailing a cloud of stinking clutch smoke. Not ready to give up so easily, he left his foot in it, revving, and I heard one wheel *almost* chirp as he finally found second and dropped the clutch. We careened over the crosswalk, now going at least 15 miles per hour. A bicyclist passed us, but intent on the race as we were, neither of us batted an eye.

He pulled slowly abreast of me, and neck and neck, we made the shift to third, the scream of motors deafening all pedestrians within a five foot circle. He nosed ahead as we passed 30 miles an hour, then eased in front of me, taunting, as we shifted into fourth. I was staring up the dual 6" chrome tips of his exhaust, snarling, my cappuccino forgotten, as he lifted a little to take the next corner.

I saw my opportunity, and counting on the innate agility of my trusty steed, I pulled wide into the number two lane and kept my foot buried in carpet. Slowly, I inched around him, feeling my Metro roll slowly to the left as I came abreast in the midst of this gradual sweeping turn. I felt the Geo ease onto its suspension stops, and felt the right rear wheel slowly leave the ground - no matter, though, because my drive wheels, up front, were pulling me through the corner, and around the Festiva ...

The Ford driver beat his wheel in rage as my wife's car eased past him on the outside, my P165/55R13's screaming in protest, as we raced to the next light. We coasted down, neck-and neck, to the red light. I tightened my driving gloves, ready for another round, when this WIMP in the next car meekly flipped his turn signal and made a right. Chevy (Suzuki) superiority reigns!!! I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, looking for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a Volkswagen Van!
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May 6 2018, 03:45 PM
freegeo
May 6 2018, 01:51 PM
Contact t3ragtop. He has a lot of experience with turbos.
Or, better yet, Google Geometroforum turbo first and read every post he has made over the years and if you still have a desire to do this and make it live longer than a few weeks ask follow up questions of T3 or offer to buy the monster turbo engine he has built and sitting at his place.

Here is the real issue for those of us on this forum, we know this is just going to trash another Metro and it's engine and leave a trail of broken and tossed out parts behind it on it's way to the scrap heap and that really isn't what we are here for or really want to support. It always seems to start by yanking and throwing out the entire interior which doesn't save enough weight to make it competitive with any car driven by someone who would be interested in stoplight racing. This car can be fun to drive, but nearly everything else will have better performance. It isn't slow, it will light up the tires if you want, but it isn't a great car to make a sleeper out of unless you are counting on the other guy being asleep and totally unaware you are racing them.

Here is the race story that has been on the internet forever and on the forum since at least 2009 to inspire you to greater heights...



I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, three cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of metro around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by surprise...

I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte cappuccino blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped at a streetlight. As the Metro throbbed its throaty idle around me, I sipped my bold beverage and wiped the white froth from my stiff upper lip. I was minding my own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane. I turned, made eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition. Ford Festiva-a late model, could be trouble. Low profile tires, curb feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot rod, for sure. The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle. As I tugged on my driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fast, and I am *damn* cool, hence...), the night was split with the sound of seven screaming cylinders...

Then the light turned... I almost had him out of the hole, my three pounding cylinders thrusting me at least a millimeter back into my seat, as smoke pouring from my front right tire... my unlimited slip differential was letting me down! I saw in the corner of my eyes, a yellow snout gaining, and I heard the roar of his four cylinders. He slung by me, right front wheel juddering against the pavement, and he flashed me a smile as his .7 extra liters of motor stretched its legs. I kept my foot gamely in it, though, waiting for the CHECK ENGINE light to blink on in the one-gauge (no tachometer here!) instrument panel. I saw a glimpse of chrome under his bumper, and knew the ugly truth... He was running a custom exhaust-probably a 2-into-1 dual exhaust...maybe even cutouts! Damn his hot-rod soul! The old lady passing us on the crosswalk cast a dirty look in our boy-racer direction... Yet still I persisted, with my three pumping pistons singing a heady high-pitched song, wound fully out.

Though only a few handfuls of seconds had passed, we were nearing the crosswalk at the other side of the intersection, and I heard the note of his engine change as he made his shift to second, and I saw his grin in his rearview mirror fade as he missed the shift! I rocketed by, shifting, and nursed the clutch gently in to keep from bogging, keeping my motor spinning hot and pulling me ahead, now trailing a cloud of stinking clutch smoke. Not ready to give up so easily, he left his foot in it, revving, and I heard one wheel *almost* chirp as he finally found second and dropped the clutch. We careened over the crosswalk, now going at least 15 miles per hour. A bicyclist passed us, but intent on the race as we were, neither of us batted an eye.

He pulled slowly abreast of me, and neck and neck, we made the shift to third, the scream of motors deafening all pedestrians within a five foot circle. He nosed ahead as we passed 30 miles an hour, then eased in front of me, taunting, as we shifted into fourth. I was staring up the dual 6" chrome tips of his exhaust, snarling, my cappuccino forgotten, as he lifted a little to take the next corner.

I saw my opportunity, and counting on the innate agility of my trusty steed, I pulled wide into the number two lane and kept my foot buried in carpet. Slowly, I inched around him, feeling my Metro roll slowly to the left as I came abreast in the midst of this gradual sweeping turn. I felt the Geo ease onto its suspension stops, and felt the right rear wheel slowly leave the ground - no matter, though, because my drive wheels, up front, were pulling me through the corner, and around the Festiva ...

The Ford driver beat his wheel in rage as my wife's car eased past him on the outside, my P165/55R13's screaming in protest, as we raced to the next light. We coasted down, neck-and neck, to the red light. I tightened my driving gloves, ready for another round, when this WIMP in the next car meekly flipped his turn signal and made a right. Chevy (Suzuki) superiority reigns!!! I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, looking for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a Volkswagen Van!
That’s probably the best story I’ve read in a long time. Hilarious.

I’m not trying to tear the car apart or blow anything up. If I’m gonna do anything I wanna do it right. This is all pipe dreams and just poking fun.
Seems like you guys deal with a lot of people asking the same questions. I did some research through the forum but this forum isn’t exactly easy to navigate like others.

I got this car for free and thought it would be a fun project to mess around with. The passenger rear floor is completely rusted out. The driver door has a rust spot in it as well. The fuel tank was so gummed out from it sitting for a couple years that the fuel pump and sending unit are completely seized.

I have to take care of those issues before I start getting crazy. I haven’t even ever driven the car before. I’m just getting creative ideas.

It seems like you guys go for more fuel efficiency then speed with these things.


Also, is there a sales page on this forum?
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Geo1.0
May 6 2018, 06:24 PM
Metromightymouse
May 6 2018, 03:45 PM
freegeo
May 6 2018, 01:51 PM
Contact t3ragtop. He has a lot of experience with turbos.
Or, better yet, Google Geometroforum turbo first and read every post he has made over the years and if you still have a desire to do this and make it live longer than a few weeks ask follow up questions of T3 or offer to buy the monster turbo engine he has built and sitting at his place.

Here is the real issue for those of us on this forum, we know this is just going to trash another Metro and it's engine and leave a trail of broken and tossed out parts behind it on it's way to the scrap heap and that really isn't what we are here for or really want to support. It always seems to start by yanking and throwing out the entire interior which doesn't save enough weight to make it competitive with any car driven by someone who would be interested in stoplight racing. This car can be fun to drive, but nearly everything else will have better performance. It isn't slow, it will light up the tires if you want, but it isn't a great car to make a sleeper out of unless you are counting on the other guy being asleep and totally unaware you are racing them.

Here is the race story that has been on the internet forever and on the forum since at least 2009 to inspire you to greater heights...



I borrowed my wife's Geo Metro last night. One liter of raw power, three cylinders of asphalt-tearing terror on thirteen-inch rims. It's stock, alright, nothing done to it, but it pushes the barely 2000 pounds of metro around with AUTHORITY. I'm always catching mopeds and 18-wheelers by surprise...

I was headed back from Baskin Robbins with my manly triple-latte cappuccino blast ("No Cinnamon, ma'am, I take it BLACK"), when I stopped at a streetlight. As the Metro throbbed its throaty idle around me, I sipped my bold beverage and wiped the white froth from my stiff upper lip. I was minding my own business, but then I heard a rev from the next lane. I turned, made eye contact, then let my eyes trace over the competition. Ford Festiva-a late model, could be trouble. Low profile tires, curb feelers, and schoolbus-yellow paint. Yep, a hot rod, for sure. The howl of his motor snapped my reverie, and I looked back into the driver's eyes, nodded, then blipped my own throttle. As I tugged on my driving gloves and slipped on my sunglasses (gotta look cool to be fast, and I am *damn* cool, hence...), the night was split with the sound of seven screaming cylinders...

Then the light turned... I almost had him out of the hole, my three pounding cylinders thrusting me at least a millimeter back into my seat, as smoke pouring from my front right tire... my unlimited slip differential was letting me down! I saw in the corner of my eyes, a yellow snout gaining, and I heard the roar of his four cylinders. He slung by me, right front wheel juddering against the pavement, and he flashed me a smile as his .7 extra liters of motor stretched its legs. I kept my foot gamely in it, though, waiting for the CHECK ENGINE light to blink on in the one-gauge (no tachometer here!) instrument panel. I saw a glimpse of chrome under his bumper, and knew the ugly truth... He was running a custom exhaust-probably a 2-into-1 dual exhaust...maybe even cutouts! Damn his hot-rod soul! The old lady passing us on the crosswalk cast a dirty look in our boy-racer direction... Yet still I persisted, with my three pumping pistons singing a heady high-pitched song, wound fully out.

Though only a few handfuls of seconds had passed, we were nearing the crosswalk at the other side of the intersection, and I heard the note of his engine change as he made his shift to second, and I saw his grin in his rearview mirror fade as he missed the shift! I rocketed by, shifting, and nursed the clutch gently in to keep from bogging, keeping my motor spinning hot and pulling me ahead, now trailing a cloud of stinking clutch smoke. Not ready to give up so easily, he left his foot in it, revving, and I heard one wheel *almost* chirp as he finally found second and dropped the clutch. We careened over the crosswalk, now going at least 15 miles per hour. A bicyclist passed us, but intent on the race as we were, neither of us batted an eye.

He pulled slowly abreast of me, and neck and neck, we made the shift to third, the scream of motors deafening all pedestrians within a five foot circle. He nosed ahead as we passed 30 miles an hour, then eased in front of me, taunting, as we shifted into fourth. I was staring up the dual 6" chrome tips of his exhaust, snarling, my cappuccino forgotten, as he lifted a little to take the next corner.

I saw my opportunity, and counting on the innate agility of my trusty steed, I pulled wide into the number two lane and kept my foot buried in carpet. Slowly, I inched around him, feeling my Metro roll slowly to the left as I came abreast in the midst of this gradual sweeping turn. I felt the Geo ease onto its suspension stops, and felt the right rear wheel slowly leave the ground - no matter, though, because my drive wheels, up front, were pulling me through the corner, and around the Festiva ...

The Ford driver beat his wheel in rage as my wife's car eased past him on the outside, my P165/55R13's screaming in protest, as we raced to the next light. We coasted down, neck-and neck, to the red light. I tightened my driving gloves, ready for another round, when this WIMP in the next car meekly flipped his turn signal and made a right. Chevy (Suzuki) superiority reigns!!! I drove off sipping my masculine drink, awash in my sheer virility, looking for other unwitting targets.... Perhaps a Yugo, or maybe even a Volkswagen Van!
That’s probably the best story I’ve read in a long time. Hilarious.

I’m not trying to tear the car apart or blow anything up. If I’m gonna do anything I wanna do it right. This is all pipe dreams and just poking fun.
Seems like you guys deal with a lot of people asking the same questions. I did some research through the forum but this forum isn’t exactly easy to navigate like others.

I got this car for free and thought it would be a fun project to mess around with. The passenger rear floor is completely rusted out. The driver door has a rust spot in it as well. The fuel tank was so gummed out from it sitting for a couple years that the fuel pump and sending unit are completely seized.

I have to take care of those issues before I start getting crazy. I haven’t even ever driven the car before. I’m just getting creative ideas.

It seems like you guys go for more fuel efficiency then speed with these things.


Also, is there a sales page on this forum?
Sales is in the classified section at the bottom of the page. It has cars, parts, and wanted sections as well as a feedback and services sections.

The search feature on the site quite frankly sucks. We recommend using Google and putting in the site name in your search. We do get a lot of the same questions over and over but most of the time we are happy to answer them. When it comes to adding a turbocharger to the 1L Metro, it isn't a simple answer and mostly it isn't what the person who is asking the question wants to hear. T3 has answered the question over and over and generally won't chime in until the member asking has shown 1. stubborn determination in chasing the information to attempt it 2. some knowledge of what it is they are asking about. 3. complete disregard for all the attempts to talk them out of it. T3 blew up numerous engines trying to get to the point where he had a reliable, good performing engine. After all that he never drives it and instead drives his GT swapped vert (meaning his forum name, T3ragtop, is not really representative of what he drives). The honest to goodness answer is that you will spend so much time and money putting together one legitimate attempt to make a usable turbo 1L that the most likely result will be an abandoned project when either the time or the money runs out. If you are one of the few who actually successfully puts together a drivable car that isn't just something waiting for the engine to blow up at any moment then you will have spent a stupid amount of money and time on a car that isn't worth anywhere near what you have into it. So yes, before you pester T3 for information, go look for several of his responses to those that have been persistent enough to get him to pipe up and then read all of his project threads to get an idea of what it takes to actually make a Metro perform.

Because of the cost and time involved, putting a turbo on a 1L Metro isn't something you do "just for fun" unless the fun includes seeing how bad the engine failure is.

You are right that most people here focus on fuel mileage but there are plenty of us that just enjoy the good gas mileage while driving our cars hard.
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Thanks for all the help on answering my turbo dreams on this little car. You’ve persuaded me to keep it factory. I’m torn between keeping the metro or trading it for a 87 VW cabriolet. VW is all I know.

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